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  1. #1

    Default Did I make the right call here for Double or Nothing?

    FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.10 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t1595)
    UTG+1 (t1855)
    MP1 (t1195)
    MP2 (t3505)
    MP3 (t910)
    CO (t1515)
    Button (t1455)
    Hero (SB) (t1470)
    BB (t1500)

    Hero's M: 32.67

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
    2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 4 folds, Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, MP1 calls t70

    Flop: (t230) 10, 6, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets t100, MP1 calls t100

    Turn: (t430) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets t100, MP1 raises to t995 (All-In), Hero calls t895

    River: (t2420) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t2420

    Results:
    Hero had K, A (straight, Ace high).
    MP1 had 9, 7 (one pair, sixes).
    Outcome: Hero won t2420
  2. #2
    Your turn bet is so weak I don't blame him for making a move.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  3. #3
    In a game where all you have to do is survive 5 busts, and all you win is (slightly less than) double your investment, this move is absolutely ridiculous.

    Check fold the turn and accept that AK don't always catch
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  4. #4
    Either bet more on the flop or check. With two broadways and a flush draw on the flop and a hand that has up to 10 outs, I could go either way.

    As baudib said, your turn bet is just silly. Check/fold once your flop c-bet gets called. Sorry to be harsh but calling the shove is very very bad.
  5. #5
    In a DoN, I may check the flop here without a read that he'll fold to cbets.

    Getting caught bluffing in a DoN is not a good thing, and with a $1.10 buyin, many donk's will call with 2 spades hoping to hit a flush!!!!!??!!!!!!!!
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    In a DoN, I may check the flop here without a read that he'll fold to cbets.
    I would check this flop too. These DoNs really are about surviving, and not taking any risks early on. Also, I would make it 120 pre-flop.
  7. #7
    Thanks for all the replies. Still new to the SNG DON's...I love these things! I thought I had a read on the villian as a maniac. and I thought maybe my stack wasnt in the best shape, so I thought I should go ahead and call while I had a ok hand.

    I wasnt sure of the betting guidelines here, I thought it was 4xBB in first, 3xBB middle, and 2xBB late stages (though it depends on your stack size if you bet at all or not.)

    Here is another questionable play where I got involved. Really I was just trying to steal blinds but ending up going all in.. mistake?

    FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.10 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t1765)
    MP (t1650)
    Hero (CO) (t2655)
    Button (t3810)
    SB (t3965)
    BB (t1155)

    Hero's M: 5.06

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
    2 folds, Hero raises to t500, 1 fold, SB calls t375, 1 fold

    Flop: (t1400) 7, 8, K (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t250, SB raises to t1750, Hero raises to t2130 (All-In), SB calls t380

    Turn: (t5660) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t5660) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t5660

    Results:
    SB had K, A (one pair, Kings).
    Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: Hero won t5660
  8. #8
    Unless Button and SB are complete lunatics, I would just push all-in pre-flop on the AA hand. You don't want to be messing around with raises here.

    By the way, the play of the SB in this hand is terrible. He shouldn't be playing any hand after you raise.
  9. #9
    I fold AA here. And that's not a joke
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    I fold AA here. And that's not a joke
    If Button and SB are calling everything, I can see a fold too. There are three stacks shorter than your own, so you are likely to make the money just by folding every hand from here on in. This is not guaranteed though, so I like a push.
  11. #11
    Why push, you're pretty much there in terms of equity, so what's to gain?

    The times you are called and lose don't make up for what you win because there's little or no increase in equity
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  12. #12
    what am I missing in the AA hand that doesn't make it an easy shove PF?
  13. #13
    Ok I see that it's on the bubble of the D.O.N. but I cannot imagine why minraising is better than just jamming PF.
  14. #14
    Folding is better than either.
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  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    Folding is better than either.
    hmmm I'll have to think about it more but I really don't believe that to be true. I def. think folding>minraising.
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    Folding is better than either.
    hmmm I'll have to think about it more but I really don't believe that to be true. I def. think folding>minraising.
    I definitely agree that min-raising is the worst option of the three.

    I can see a fold if we had slightly more chips, and were virtually guaranteed to cash. Here, the blinds are getting big, and it would only take BB and one of the other shorties to double up for us to be in trouble. I would fold every other hand in this spot though.
  17. #17
    I seriously considered folding in the AA hand, but since it was folded to me, I thought it was a good idea to try steal blinds, I didnt really want to get too involved. I just found it hard to believe that the big stack would battle me here, in the bubble. So I put him on a pair of kings since he bet the flop like that, so I figured ok why not?

    Besides I already commited too much in the pot already, and my stack would be in terrible shape here in the later part (bb250) if I folded now. so I decided I may as well push it all in.
  18. #18
    UTG (t1765)
    MP (t1650)
    Hero (CO) (t2655)
    Button (t3810)
    SB (t3965)
    BB (t1155)

    Hero has 17.976% of the prize pool and is shooting 20%.

    If you shove and it's folded around you go up to 18.622%

    Let's simplify by saying that only the big stack in SB will call
    If you shove and lose you have 0%
    If you shove and win you have 19.775%

    Let p be probability he folds, and q be probability he wins given that he called.

    We need Shoving >= folding

    so require 18.622*p + (1-p)*(19.775*(1-q)) > 17.976

    Lets make calling range unrealistically tight for $1.10 buyin donks and call it TT+ AQ+, giving AA 84.596% equity, and meaning q=0.15404%
    and p = 1 - 0.047 (as that range is 4.7% of hands).

    The above calculation gives the % of the prize pool for shoving AA as
    18.533% for only one possible caller and under some strict assumptions such as that caller is uber tight (he won't be at that buy in)

    Relaxing the latter assumption to put him calling with 55+, AT+, KJ+ (and I've seen far worse) we find the shoving play gives us 18.4%

    So when does it become -EV? Well roughly when calling range hits 35%.

    The problem is we've ignored the other big stack. The probability of one or both of them finding a hand in their range gets dangerously close to 35% quite easily.

    Anyway, hopefully I've illustrated the tiny gains in equity to be made if you push AA here, and hopefully that last point convinces someone it is worth folding in this spot. I've deliberately avoided actually doing the maths in the spot where any of the last 3 could call, mainly because I'm lazy, it's 1am, and i'm totally hammered! Plus I've rambled long enough.
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  19. #19
    ahh too much math!

    Ok your right, I should have folded.

    But was I right in trying to steal blinds here?
  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by flopmonkey
    I seriously considered folding in the AA hand, but since it was folded to me, I thought it was a good idea to try steal blinds, I didnt really want to get too involved. I just found it hard to believe that the big stack would battle me here, in the bubble. So I put him on a pair of kings since he bet the flop like that, so I figured ok why not?

    Besides I already commited too much in the pot already, and my stack would be in terrible shape here in the later part (bb250) if I folded now. so I decided I may as well push it all in.
    this is why minraising is just bad, playing postflop with a 10bb stack is just wrong.

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