$6.50. Button bubble shove -EV because of previous hand.

[gingerwizard]

Ok to fairly sensible calling ranges (and these guys were fairly sensible unlike the idiots on my other tables) I was sure this was a push. And to default ranges wiz says this is. SB has to call wider than about 18% for it to be a fold.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00+$0.50 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t2770)
BB (t4045)
UTG (t5105)
Hero (Button) (t1580)

Hero's M: 3.95

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9
1 fold

Question is does this hand that we had just before it change anything?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00+$0.50 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1360)
UTG (t4070)
Button (t5130)
Hero (SB) (t2940)

Hero's M: 7.35

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 2
2 folds, Hero raises to t2915 (All-In), BB calls t1135 (All-In)

Flop: (t2770) 9, 4, A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2770) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2770) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2770

Results:
Hero had 5, 2 (high card, Ace).
BB had Q, K (high card, Ace).
Outcome: BB won t2770


He was watching cos he's now berating me in the chat.

[fulksy]

imo i think hes gonna call you wider than 18% when players get emotional in these stakes they make some pretty outrages plays i wait. but yea i see it being a push other wise.

[taipan168]

I think the KQo call is perfectly reasonable by opp considering his stack size so I don't think it means that he will call stupid wide on the next hand and I shove the 98o hand.

[gingerwizard]

Of course the KQo hand is perfectly reasonable. Of course. My shove is correct, his call is correct. The cost of doing business.

My point is I've been caught pushing 52o and I just lost, and playing only the cards, opp does not understand that we just played perfectly, but thinks I'm a nut donator. At these stakes Tai they can't understand why you would ever do such a thing as push 52o ever. They think you're a maniac and you'll push anything.

"He had 52o last hand he could have any old shit here. He's probably tilting cos he just lost. etc."

Run the 98o hand in WIZ and see how marginal it is. Now look at some of the hands he has to fold for this to be +$EV, and consider whether his misunderstanding of my "image" (If I was playing me there I'd think I was up against a solid player after that showdown), would affect any of his decisions.

[trilerian]

One thing the S&G wiz cannot take into account is emotional states. I wonder if we can assign a standard calling range to a possibly tilting opp, but more likely than not opp will wait for a good hand to try and trap and will continue to fold. I think pushing here is still good and will be folded to most of the time. However I would tighten up my push range when opp is UTG and limps to you when you are BB.

[taipan168]

Sorry, I see your point now (). I ran it in Wiz* and assuming that BB calls your shove with 15% then provided SB calls tighter than 20% it's a good shove. I probably still shove in this spot.

* Did you notice that if you scroll down in Wiz below the table graphic, there is a section that analyses potential action between SB and BB if you fold? In this case I set SB's shove range at 20% and BB's call range at 8%. This affects your EqF% since if you have real laggtards in the SB and BB there's a good chance that one of them will bust out or be crippled, thereby increasing your EqF%. Often these ranges are set far too loose thereby turning a good shove into a bad one. It usually doesn't make that much difference but on the bubble, like everything else, it does.

[gingerwizard]

cool tip

[Sir Pawnalot]

I agree with an extremely loose push in situations like this. But 52 off is one of the worst hands HU and has very low equity against any range.

Of course if its a nit- eat his balls.

In the same situation as BB i call with 60-70% of my range. Push with 70%.

So against a player who will adjust this is EV-.

[gingerwizard]

Crikey.