Pokerstars not grind friendly?

[Val Kilmer]

A typical 10 man SNG on Titan is about 45 - 50m.
On FT, its about 55 - 60m.
On PS it's a whopping 1h 15m.

I think this is due to the many different blind levels which the others don't have. Longer games mean less money per hour so is PS not a wise choice for multi tabling?

[gingerwizard]

Turbos are way shorter like 40 mins or something. I don't play the slow versions as the rake is more expensive and as far as my games go, the quicker the blinds go up the more mistakes my opponents make and the biggar my edge.

Further the grind on stars for multitablers is good because the games fill up ultra quick

[Rage2100]

Further the grind on stars for multitablers is good because the games fill up ultra quick

This is a very good point. If you tried to play 12 tables on Titan, your 1st SnG would be almost finishing by the time you loaded the 12th one up.

[gingerwizard]

Further the grind on stars for multitablers is good because the games fill up ultra quick

This is a very good point. If you tried to play 12 tables on Titan, your 1st SnG would be almost finishing by the time you loaded the 12th one up.

and your PC would implode after loading the 8th

[Nakamura]

IMO FT normal SnG's tend to be more like PS turbos. The blinds increase every 5 mins during a normal FT SnG, and like-wise for PS turbo's. The blinds structure on FT is less aggressive than Stars, and thus normal speeds on FT tend to take a little longer than turbos on PS.

[TLR]

IMO FT normal SnG's tend to be more like PS turbos. The blinds increase every 5 mins during a normal FT SnG, and like-wise for PS turbo's. The blinds structure on FT is less aggressive than Stars, and thus normal speeds on FT tend to take a little longer than turbos on PS.

I havent played FT in a while but as far as I recall the turbos there are take almost the same time as stars due to the relatively flat blind incline

[Kijjo]

I've been playing FT for about 2 mos - I do about 90% 1 table SnGs. Here's the wierdest thing I found about FT SnGs. In the time I can play 1 regular speed, I can easily play two turbos end-to-end with time left over (and I'm talking about playing to heads-up). I haven't payed close attention to the mins/blind level, I guess I assumed it would be 1/2 the length with turbo, but maybe it's even less?

[bigslikk]

Slower blind increases are your friend if you're good at poker (post flop and all, you know, where the real poker is played). As far as taking longer, just boot up more tables. Your win rate / # Sngs' played is probably higher for non-turbos than for turbos if you're playing against the mega-donks at t he microstakes.

[gingerwizard]

I don't think it's possible for me to disagree with this more.

1. You'd have to have double the ROI in slow games to make up for $$ per hour lost playing them as opposed to turbos (not possible),

2. Fire up more tables is a really poor argument for 2 reasons.
a. Far more difficult to play complicated post flop poker or "real poker" as you call it with lots of tables particularly as it's not like cash games as you can often be <4 handed in 10 or more at once!

b. You can fire up just as many turbos as you can normal games.

3. The most profitable mistakes donks make in the small stakes are in the end game, when their poor decisions bust them out, and where they spew EV all over the table by folding too tight, by limping, by shoving in dumb spots. Getting there faster is optimal.

4. You can't win SNGs early. Sure you may on average have x more chips because of playing "real poker" better in a slower one. But x aint gonna be vast, and if at all it can only increase your ROI by a couple of %. Because x more chips does not equal x more $EV. ICM is king my friend. That means knowing what to do when the blinds are high. You know that, you own, and you wanna get there fast as possible.

5. Turbos have less rake.

Slower blind increases are your friend if you can't be bothered to learn ICM properly, or if you enjoy the cut and chase of the post flop game but are too scared to play at a cash table where chips=monies. They may also be your friend if you enjoy the format more. But $$ per hour will never be better.

[Mr Bigcity]

Turbos at Stars are by far the best way to grind due to quick signups and low rake compared to the non turbos

[Jason]

Slower blind increases are your friend if you're good at poker (post flop and all, you know, where the real poker is played).

I DO agree with this statement. Slower blinds allow you more opportunity to play poker, which is a great thing if you can play poker. As far as adding more tables or not - that's a different can of worms as with each table you add, you start to negate the edge you had to play poker.

[drmcboy]

if you think your edge is post flop SNGs are the worst imaginable form of poker to exploit it in. The only reason to play regular speed SNGs would be if you think they are more fun and that helps you play more (or, of course, if you only play for fun but since OP has 'grind' in the title...) . You might have a lower ROI in turbos but like ginger said it isn't going to be enough to make regulars more profitable.

[gingerwizard]

if you think your edge is post flop SNGs are the worst imaginable form of poker to exploit it in.

^ this

[Kijjo]

I aggree with nearly everything ginger said. I'd even add one more factor, FISH love turbos.
Only question I have is, why do I make my more money and more consistent money playing normal speeds? If I can eventually match my normal speed success with turbos, that will be +++EV!

[drmcboy]

the obv answers:

You are making bad plays when stacks are shallow (you can check this)

sample size

Based on your numbers you think you play better in reg speed and so you do.

[fulksy]

i also agree 100%, but i find the same results that i do better in REG games, you can just sit their barely play a hand and find your self on the bubble, a couple days ago i had had to take off during a 9 handed Reg SnG only 1 player was out i ended up finishing ITM, not playing a hand after that point, i left my stack at about 1700, lol. but i defiantly agree turbos are better for grinding, since push/fold mode is where you push your edge and make your money.

[dollabill315]

i prefer playing sit n gos at normal blind speed but i understand and see why turbos are a better option. i probably play 30 percent turbos.