An AK question

[TanO]

It's been too long but I'm getting time to play poker again, just looking for a bit of a line check here. Villain has just moved to the table so no read.

Is my 4-bet a bit pointless, call and evaluate the flop better ?
Would anyone just 4-bet allin here preflop when 60BBs deep ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.50+$0.25 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (MP1) (t12700)
MP2 (t2685)
CO (t1550)
Button (t5950)
SB (t16085)
BB (t12271)
UTG (t3390)
UTG+1 (t3470)

Hero's M: 42.33

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, Button calls t600, SB raises to t1500, 1 fold, Hero raises to t3800, 1 fold, SB calls t2300

Flop: (t8400) 10, 4, 9 (2 players)
SB bets t12285 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t8400

[rudefella]

I flat the 3bet and see a flop, especially since you'll be in position. If he had one of the smaller stacks I would 4-bet him all-in.

[drmcboy]

I def think shoving or flatting are better than the small three bet, you're setting up the pot size for him to stop and go you. I would probably just shove. You'd rather he fold a random hand if he's just squeezing. Also if he has AK also or AQ/AJ he's going to win the pot when you both miss. Finally, we'd like to get BU out.

[chardrian]

I agree w/dr. Think ahead and take a line that will make the hand easiest for you to play and most awkward for your opp.

[mcatdog]

What do people think about calling and shoving over a c-bet on almost any flop? I don't know if that's better than shoving but I like both plans better than the small 4-bet.

[drmcboy]

hmmm, it's kinda interesting for sure. what flops do we give up on? Also do we just play straight up if BU calls

[chardrian]

What do people think about calling and shoving over a c-bet on almost any flop? I don't know if that's better than shoving but I like both plans better than the small 4-bet.

This is a line I will often take, especially against an opp who I know is a constant c-bettor. It is higher variance, but it also picks you up extra chips than shoving pre does.

I think our options pre are to flat, shove, or raise to like 5k so we know that we can't fold no matter what postflop.

[baudib]

It depends on how deep we are into the tourney and what our stack size is compared to the chip leaders.

I probably shove this like 70% of the time; flatting is ok, too, though, but we have to get it in on an A/K/two flush flop and I'd rather the button not be there.

mcat's idea is interesting because I think we're good here more often than we'd normally suspect.

[Wikkiwikki]

I like the push, it puts maximum pressure on him. If you miss the flop your floating in nowhere land with an Ace high. He most likely doesn't have A-A or K-K because of your hand, so he has to decide if he wants to flip with his Q's or J's or might be dominated. Plus he could be making a play with A-Q. I almost always reraise with A-Q to define the hand. If you shove he'll fold it mostly or call and be dominated.