Quote Originally Posted by iopq
Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
I ain't good at math, but how much are the 3bet/4bets? minraises? It seems to me by the 4bet almost everyone's money would be in there already and you'd be getting like 6-1 to call a 5bet shove? Post the hand plz so we can see this fiasco. lol
I already posted the bet sizing
someone opens for 4xBB which is standard
I 3b for 12x which is arguable, some people 3b like 3.5x the original raise but fuck those people. 12x is fine too especially if I'm 3b light a lot I'd like to be putting a smaller amount into the pot
to my surprise, the player 4b to 32BB although maybe 30BB is standard (2.5x the original raise) since the SPR is going to be very low even if you 4b small
and I shove for 100BB

notice that he doesn't have odds to call my shove if he thinks I have the goods
he's putting in an additional 68BB to win a 200BB pot which is 32%
so if he has QQ and puts me on KK+ he only has 18% equity and has to fold
1. When he flats your 3bet, he's way ahead. You stand to lose a big pot and win small ones since your hand is dominated.
2. When he 4bet shoves you have to fold.
3. If he thinks enough to both 4bet QQ and fold it to a 5b shove, he'll get a read on you, and sooner or later will just flat your 3bets or 4bet shove over them, whichever seems more +EV. Both suck for your hand.
4. You need GOOD players for this to work, someone who can make a big laydown. Against the donks, the multitabling nits, and the TAGG regs, this bluff works next to never, and even less if you ever show down A5s after you 5bet and get called by AA.