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M low, was this the spot to push?

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  1. #1

    Default M low, was this the spot to push?

    This hand was a decisive in a tourney last night, the $3 R/A sattelite to sunday warm up. Top 10 paid 23 left in.
    I struggled what to do. I needed to make a move, the first person to act was relatively tight, hadnt shown down anything out of line for his position.
    People still to act behind ?? caught in headlights

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3+$0 Tournament, 800/1600 Blinds 150 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 (t19930)
    MP1 (t30509)
    Hero (MP2) (t12705)
    CO (t18245)
    Button (t53403)
    SB (t7102)
    BB (t54860)
    UTG (t21865)

    Hero's M: 3.53

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with ,
    1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t4800, [color=#666666][i]
    Hero stuck?
  2. #2
    meh, fold. UTG+1 is never folding to your push here, and I would guess his range is ahead of yours. Yes your M is low, and you are desperate, but I'd still pick another spot.
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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter
    meh, fold. UTG+1 is never folding to your push here, and I would guess his range is ahead of yours. Yes your M is low, and you are desperate, but I'd still pick another spot.
    This. I've found that it's always better to open with your M that low, unless you've got a very strong hand, especially since you're stack isn't so low relative to the table, and you have a lot of fold equity with an open shove.
  4. #4
    I'd fold in a FO, auto fold in a sat - even after paying the blinds once you'll still have a stack with FE. you have to assume he is not folding and has you beat and as you say you can still get caught behind. What made you think this was the spot?
  5. #5
    I think this might have been the spot for a couple of reasons, on reviewing the hand history this was the last semi decent hand i had before making a final stab with AJo. By the time i made my last move my M was very low and i had multiple callers (showing AT,AQ and JJ not the best result).
    In the hand in question the opener showed 88 and the big blind called with TT. I know results are not the issue but i wanted to see if my fold was incorrect or not.
    thanks for the replies.
  6. #6
    I don't see any reasons, but that's OK/good because there is never a reason to make a bad play, even if it is the least bad play you could make. If you want to play a lot of MTTs you should work on getting rid of the idea that if you just played perfectly you'd win every time. Most of the time you won't play perfectly and you even if you do you won't win. That's true in all forms of poker but extra true in MTTs since they probably have the most situations where neither player makes a mistake getting their whole stack in.

    cliff notes - moving in here is bad whether or not AA was going to be the next hand you get.
  7. #7
    If he's a tight player and moving in QJo is not the right hand to move in with. Folding was the right option.
  8. #8
    Pretty standard fold; forget about people left to act, UTG+1 has put more than 20% of his stack in and is going to have the right odds to call with 100% of his range, which is well ahead of QJo.

    Even if he had been LAGgy and getting out of line, he's still well ahead of your range. You need AQ+ to play here.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.

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