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  1. #1
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    Default Proper way to play trips here

    So I get myself a big blind special here. After the flop, there's 4 other players in the hand. With a flush draw on the board, I want to bet out a little to get rid of some of the chaff. I understand I didn't bet enough to scare off anyone on a flush draw, but at the very least, I can put anyone left in the hand on a draw and not a made hand most likely.

    Does anyone just check and slow play here? After my bet, what do you put the villian on? On the turn, I just check, because now I'm curious as to what he will do. Later on I'll post the results of the river.


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.40 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t3225)
    UTG+1 (t1440)
    MP1 (t1170)
    MP2 (t1370)
    MP3 (t905)
    CO (t3005)
    Button (t975)
    SB (t1375)
    Hero (BB) (t1535)

    Hero's M: 20.47

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 9
    UTG calls t50, 3 folds, MP3 calls t50, 1 fold, Button calls t50, SB calls t25, Hero checks

    Flop: (t250) 7, 3, 3 (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t150, UTG calls t150, 3 folds

    Turn: (t550) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets t150, Hero calls t150
  2. #2
    Betting out is fine and I like the amount on the flop.

    Lead turn, don't give free card. Tempted to raise his pitiful little bet here
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  3. #3
    flop lead is good, any other line makes your hand look like what it is and even if that doesn't matter in a $3 betting with the best hand is a good default.

    After that...what hand(s) do you think he might have when he calls you on the flop? against which of those hands is a turn check good? Remember you are OOP.
  4. #4
    I would bet a little more on the flop with 4 people seeing the flop on drawy board. Once villian called your bet I put him on a FD or 7x.
    I think that his bet on the river may be a FD+K, and I would raise


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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    flop lead is good, any other line makes your hand look like what it is and even if that doesn't matter in a $3 betting with the best hand is a good default.

    After that...what hand(s) do you think he might have when he calls you on the flop? against which of those hands is a turn check good? Remember you are OOP.
    I'm putting him on something like A-7 or Flush Draw after the flop. Nothing else would make a lot of sense there. I think that if he had flopped a boat, he might have re-raised me on the flop.

    I also give thought to the possibility that he also had a three in his hand, but if he did, I'm probably going broke. I checked the flop to try to get a little more info. If he checks, I'm pretty sure it's a flush draw. When he bets out, I'm thinking either a King or some sort of feeble attempt at a semi-bluff.

    Either way, I'm still ahead and I might be able extract some more chips on the river, unless it's a flush card in which case I probably shut it down. I understand I'm taking a chance giving him a free card there that might beat me, but if he hits the flush and I get a boat, he's going broke.

    The other thought there is I go all-in and he calls with his Flush Draw. If he hits, I'm done, if not, I double up. If I don't force his hand, he may shut down on the river without hitting his draw.
  6. #6
    if he has a flush draw or A7 is it better to bet or check the turn?

    How will that effect the river?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    if he has a flush draw or A7 is it better to bet or check the turn?

    How will that effect the river?
    Good question. If I bet the turn, he's calling with the flush draw most likely. He has me covered and I'm sure he'd play it even if he didn't have the odds. If it's an A-7 he's probably not raising on the turn like that with the K out there although it could have been a really weak attempt to get me off my hand.

    I'm actually trying to do a bit of head-fake here. Maybe that's too sophisticated for this level, but I'm trying to get him to think that I was c-betting with air on the flop to take down the pot. And now that he called my bluff, I'm checking the turn to show weakness.

    If he raises me all-in, I call there. He's only got 1 card left to hit his flush so at best he's got a 25% chance to win this hand. Unless he's running a really, really good (and deep) trap, I'm way ahead.

    As played I called his weak bet in hopes of getting some more chips from him on the river. I'll see what the river brings and since I'm first to act, I can lead out with a bet to look like I'm trying to steal the pot again.

    Anyway, that's my thought process. I'm not saying it's necessarily the right one, but then again, that's why I'm asking for other's insights.
  8. #8
    You need to think of the action together, not separately and not after you see what he does.

    First, you say c-bet but you did not raise pre flop. That makes a big difference because you are not likely to be bluffing on this flop.

    If he has a FD he is much more likely to call a bet than bet himself. Also, remember that he will never call when he misses on the river.

    If he has a 7 he probably still likes it but again I think he would rather call a bet vs bet himself.

    In both these scenarios, don't forget that he may raise rather than call which is of course a great result for us.

    Your line makes it pretty much impossible for us to get all the chips in. It only really makes sense if you think he is bluffing, but he won't be bluffing very often after calling on this flop. I would prefer leading to check raising but after he makes this really small bet you can't just call.

    Finally, the fact that he bet 150 means that even if we get another bet out of him, it isn't likely to be as big as the bets we will make.

    If you were IP this line is also much better because we don't have to guess on the river.
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    So then you like a bet on every street here? Raise and hope for a call or re-raise? I don't have a problem doing that either. I do believe that my check on the turn was probably incorrect. If he called the flop, he would have called a little more on the turn.

    Here's the final result. It's people like this who will put my kids through college.

    River: (t850) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets t650, UTG raises to t1300, Hero calls t535 (All-In)

    Total pot: t3220

    Results:
    Hero had 3, 9 (four of a kind, threes).
    UTG had 6, K (full house, threes over Kings).
    Outcome: Hero won t3220
  10. #10
    I will pretend I did not see the results.

    The big problem I see with the turn c/c is that he is actually getting odds to hit a flush on the river if he in fact does have a flush draw. A check also lets him get there for free if he does not bet. He may fire a bet on the turn if he has a 7, which means he is confident it is good, but this does not mean he will call a c/r.

    Villain actually played this hand not too bad until the river, where he could have found a fold, and he def should not have reraised you. If I were him I would've prob checked the turn behind and called a reasonable bet you made on the river.

    Like was stated, he checks behind a lot of hands on the turn, which given the texture of the board is not good for you. And you are missing value from his draws/7x hands.

    Also think of this, if you lead the turn, he may raise you if he has a K!! all the chips are going in then and you do not have to rely on him to make the bone-headed play of reraising you on the river.


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  11. #11
    Lets say you were villain here, would you have called the river bet or insta fold? Id be tempted to call it hoping to see a 7

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