AKo with two pair on the Turn, how did I play this hand?

[Tyshalle]

$5 SnG. I didn't have much of a read on my opponent, but he seemed to enter into about 40% of the pots or so, typically by limping or calling small bets, rather than raising.

Had to delete the links in this post since apparently I'm not allowed to until I have 10 posts under my belt (lame).


FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 5+0.50 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (6 handed)

CO (t3710)
Button (t3370)
Hero (SB) (t1605)
BB (t1175)
UTG (t1025)
MP (t2615)

Hero's M: 17.83

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ace King off-suit
UTG calls t60, MP bets t180, 1 fold, Button calls t180, Hero raises to t480, 3 folds, Button calls t300

Flop: (t1260) King Jack Seven with two diamonds and one heart(2 players)
Hero bets t480, Button calls t480

Turn: (t2220) Ace of hearts(2 players)
Hero bets t645 (All-In), Button calls t645

Total pot: t3510

[GatorJH]

Some will say you should have shoved pre-flop, but I don't think a 3bet is horrible here based on stack sizes.

However you DEFINITELY should have shoved the flop. You have tptk on a wet board, gave villain great odds to chase most draws and pot committed yourself anyway.

Based on his play I could see him showing up here with KQ, JJ, 77, AdXx (unless you had the Ace of Diamonds) or maybe KJ,AJ, or QQ

[drmcboy]

what gator said, I will add that you should shove any flop unless it's super dry like A77r maybe (even here shoving is fine). If you are not comfy shoving a flop you miss, move in pre instead.

Had to delete the links in this post since apparently I'm not allowed to until I have 10 posts under my belt (lame).

stick around for ~500 posts and I guarantee you'll change your mind

[GatorJH]

If you are not comfy shoving a flop you miss, move in pre instead.

That is a very good point and should be the decision maker for you when calling/raising or shoving are close decisions.

[Tyshalle]

Yeah, you called it Gator. He had KQo and busted me.

Not shoving on the flop was intentional, though it obviously didn't work in my favor. I didn't want to push too hard hoping he'd call, and be forced to call when I went all-in on the Turn. I figured I wouldn't have gotten a call on the flop with any hand that didn't beat mine already, so I guess I got greedy.

[GatorJH]

then he hit a T on the river and this should be in the bad beat forum?

[Tyshalle]

Err, no, sorry. He had Q10, he hit his straight on the Turn.

[taipan168]

Err, no, sorry. He had Q10, he hit his straight on the Turn.

This is why you should have shoved the flop, particularly since the flop had quite a few potential draws. Your small bet offered opp almost correct odds to call and chase a straight or flush draw, and probably better than correct odds if you take some implied odds into account (additional chips out of your stack opp could win out of your stack if he hit his draw).

[Tyshalle]

Yeah, you're definitely right. I just didn't see it until after the hand was over.

[drmcboy]

you'll get called by any Kx or FD 100% and often by a hand like QT or QJ. only the FD should call a shove so you win. straight draws should call too and they might even fold which is a huge win.

also his play is dreadful pre flop

[gingerwizard]

I'm sorry but a 3-bet sucks here preflop.

1 limper, a raiser and a caller. You have 10BBs and AK. I don't think with the button caller you can raise enough to thin the field without shoving. You want to thin it or win it now because AK is not a made hand, and because a raise means you have to shove all flops and that's gonna suck with two opponents if you miss.

Also, if you miss, you'll probably fold flop sometimes because thats how people work, they get scared to pull the trigger.

I'm sorry but easiest preflop shove ever and stack size and previous action makes 3-betting bad

[drmcboy]

[ ] 10 BBs

re read the HH? Your post doesn't make much sense.

[gingerwizard]

[ ] 10 BBs

re read the HH? Your post doesn't make much sense.

correct. NOT 160, but 60. DOH!

Slow day all round. Well still 25% chip increase on table and I shove anyway

[drmcboy]

shoving is of course fine, but in general the idea that sometimes you make a plan pre flop and then don't follow through and so you take a less optimal line is not.

[gingerwizard]

agree. With size of pot after a 3bet on a flop, you have to pull trigger. Probably why I think shoving is better cos many people chicken out if they don't, and shoving is +$EV

[kstarm]

I don't mind the three-bet, but you are going to be playing out of position without a made hand. With a raise and a caller in front of you I like pushing much more. It is likely you will get action from worse aces at this level, and even at higher levels (somewhat image dependent) you might get looked up for squeezing if you push from the blinds. I don't like the flop bet. The pot is too large for you to make really any continuation bet here besides all-in. You have taken an aggressive line, stick with it.

Learn from this, and the next time you come up with a similar situation think of that guy with QT, and then you can post this in the bad beat forum while you're playing at higher stakes