$11 2nd Nut flush faces push

[Deuce Blue]

Very early on so no reads really. I'm pretty sure I screwed up not raising the turn but I'm not sure how bad or what else I did wrong. I was shoving river until the 4th club fell, then I was lost when he shoved. Sorry again for lack of hand conversion, but still unaware of a way to do it playing at Sportsbook.

Hand #1793455A4F000005: $10 NL Hold'em T4545103
Tournament ID:4545103, Table 1
Seat 1: Trip*** (1670.00 in chips)
Seat 2: rver*** (2065.00 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (1470.00 in chips)
Seat 4: BURR*** (1400.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Nirv*** (1370.00 in chips)
Seat 6: Posu*** (1480.00 in chips)
Seat 7: 4the*** (1500.00 in chips)
Seat 8: UDAV*** (1320.00 in chips)
Seat 9: jaFF*** (1430.00 in chips)
Seat 10: sikr*** (1295.00 in chips)
Posu***: posts small blind 10
4the***: posts big blind 20
Dealt to HERO [ Kc Qc ]
UDAV***: raises to 70
jaFF***: folds
sikr***: folds
Trip***: folds
rver***: folds
HERO: calls
BURR***: folds
Nirv***: folds
Posu***: calls
4the***: folds
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ 2d Jc 9c ]
Posu***: checks
UDAV***: bets 115
HERO: calls
Posu***: folds
# # # TURN # # # [ 5c ]
UDAV***: bets 230
HERO: calls
&&& RIVER &&& [ 3c ]
UDAV***: is all in 905.0000
HERO??????

[taipan168]

Don't call the preflop raise, particularly a raise from UTG.

I would raise the flop with the second nut flush draw, a gutshot and two overcards. 350 or so seems good. If opp shoves over I call.

As played, I shove over on the turn for sure. You will spew if a fourth club comes on the river since you just let a bare A catch up to you. I think that just flat calling is really bad here.

As you played the turn, you have to call the river. If you called the turn hoping that opp would bluff off all his chips to you on the river, well you got what you wanted so call. There's only one hand that you're afraid of, if he has the A then I think you gotta pay him since weaker clubs (not to mention two pair/set and maybe even one pair hands) will likely play the same.

[TLR]

Don't call the preflop raise, particularly a raise from UTG.

True, KQ is an easily dominated hand vs opp's raising range, so even if you hit your K or Q you do not know where you stand.

If there were 1-2 callers after the initial raise your call would make more sense because then you increase your chance of getting paid when you hit the flop hard (you treat KQs as suited connectors in this case)

I would raise the flop with the second nut flush draw, a gutshot and two overcards. 350 or so seems good. If opp shoves over I call.

Again agreed, raising is much better then calling here for a few reasons
1. You may win the pot right there, which is a great result
2. You may get a free card on the turn if you get called
3. Even if you are behind and villian comes over the top you have at least 12 clean outs to win even if he has AA or a set, if he has something like AJ you have 18 outs, so getting all your chips in on this flop is not a bad thing.
Regarding raise size, pot is around 300+, I would reraise about 2/3 pot

As played, I shove over on the turn for sure. You will spew if a fourth club comes on the river since you just let a bare A catch up to you. I think that just flat calling is really bad here.

As you played the turn, you have to call the river. If you called the turn hoping that opp would bluff off all his chips to you on the river, well you got what you wanted so call. There's only one hand that you're afraid of, if he has the A then I think you gotta pay him since weaker clubs (not to mention two pair/set and maybe even one pair hands) will likely play the same.

Again, totally agreed

[gingerwizard]

Taipan said everything I wanted to say

[taipan168]

I hate KQs. When I was learning the game I lost more stacks of chips than I can bear to remember with this hand - calling raises with it and going broke on a K or Q high flop, chasing a flush or straight draw only to either miss or get outdrawn, etc.

I still find it a somewhat difficult hand to play in certain circumstances. For example, if it's early in the game, full table, level 1 or 2, you're two off the button and it's folded to you, what do you do? If you raise, a lot of players will just flat call with AK/AQ rather than re-raise, giving you bad reverse implied odds. If you call, you have to fold to a raise since you're pretty squarely behind most raisers' ranges. Folding seems weak.

[Deuce Blue]

Don't call the preflop raise, particularly a raise from UTG..

Yea, I'm not really sure why I did this, it isn't normal for me. Guess I got enamoured because it was sooted.

I would raise the flop with the second nut flush draw, a gutshot and two overcards. 350 or so seems good. If opp shoves over I call..

I think I really didn't put the time in here to consider just how many outs I had with the overs

As played, I shove over on the turn for sure. You will spew if a fourth club comes on the river since you just let a bare A catch up to you. I think that just flat calling is really bad here..

I knew I screwed this up. This is Tai's favorite line to use with me (This is really bad. LOL )

As you played the turn, you have to call the river. If you called the turn hoping that opp would bluff off all his chips to you on the river, well you got what you wanted so call. There's only one hand that you're afraid of, if he has the A then I think you gotta pay him since weaker clubs (not to mention two pair/set and maybe even one pair hands) will likely play the same.

I puked and called. He had Ac7d. Tai and Gingers input seemed spot on so figured results didn't matter now. Thank you gents!!