Should i worry about a set here? $2.25

[Projectp]

Table is fairly loose so far, should i worry about a set here or is this an easy call?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2+0.25 Tournament, 40/80 Blinds (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver

CO (t1535)
Hero (Button) (t1765)
SB (t1475)
BB (t1420)
UTG (t2785)
MP1 (t1895)
MP2 (t2625)

Hero's M: 14.71

Preflop: Hero is Button with Jh, Ks
4 folds, Hero bets t160, SB calls t120, 1 fold

Flop: (t400) 7d, Js, 10s (2 players)
SB bets t300, Hero calls t300

Turn: (t1000) 6c (2 players)
SB bets t1015 (All-In), Hero ???

Total pot: t3030

[tuuk2]

I think I'd be more worried about A-J to be honest. I'm folding this one. You've only got one pair and you might not even have the top kicker. Unless I know Villain is capable of a big bluff or semi-bluff here (semi-bluff is pretty unlikely), I've got to lay this one down. Of course, I'm probably too nitty by far.

[taipan168]

Make it 200 to go preflop. Minor point, but the extra raise is worth the additional fold equity.

As played, I shove over on the flop. You have a decent amount of fold equity and you will get called by hands that you beat. That flop is very very drawy so opp could be semi-bluffing a draw, or leading out with weaker Ks or even hands like Tx.

As played, bleh that's a bad spot - at this point I don't think there are too many hands in his range leading the flop and now shoving the turn with something that you beat, fold I guess

[GatorJH]

A set probably wouldn't lead out on the flop, but would check with the intention of check raising. I think there are really only two hands you need to worry about here - AJ and JT.

I agree with Tai that the best play here would be to shove over his donk bet on the flop.

[gingerwizard]

I'm not worried about a set. 2pair or TPTK seem most likely for worries sake. The buyin is low so this could very well be a draw or QJ overplayed.

tough spot but I think at these stakes it's probably a call.

[Kijjo]

the problem is that with your preflop raise you can't eliminate any hands from a possibility - guy could flip over any suited connector in this range - I would expect him to have a pair and a draw.

[taipan168]

Your preflop play gets you into trouble.

Do you care to explain why you think this rather than give a one-line answer?

[kstarm]

I would bet more pre-flop if you are opening. I would also advocate shoving over on the flop because I think you are way ahead here unless you have some read on the opponent otherwise. Plus there are so many cards you don't want to see on the turn. As for the turn again I call without a better read. I think his range is too wide here especially at this buy-in to let this go.

Some type of read here would be very helpful.

@Tai: Why you would advocate shoving over the flop but not calling the turn? I don't see how the 6c really changes our position here. If we thought we were best on the flop we should still be good. Villian has put in ~30% of his stack, I would think that we should be anticipating a shove on nearly any card on the turn.

[Projectp]

I didnt really have a read, the whole table seemed to be playing pretty loose. And for the preflop raise, i didnt even realize i only bet 160, i definately should have made it more.

And my preflop play does get me into trouble, only raising to 2xbb will get guys calling with anything, and its hard to read after the flop. Someone in the blinds will call with 7 10, or 7 J etc.

[lockpull]

Your preflop play gets you into trouble.

Do you care to explain why you think this rather than give a one-line answer?

Oh Oh I kno., As Taipan stated many, many times in one of my tournament post... DDMR (Dont Donk Min Raise) You get almost nothing out of it since you will most likley not fold anyone out so it has almost no purpose.

[BadAssOutlaw]

actually, a set is the last thing on my mind at this point... straight draws, flush draws, possible AJ i'm thinking more about... Me, I have to make this call.. low buy in, people play very loosely and you'll find a LOT of people chasing early on trying to double up early... if you lose, you lose $2 and try the next game.. i say go for it

[taipan168]

@Tai: Why you would advocate shoving over the flop but not calling the turn? I don't see how the 6c really changes our position here. If we thought we were best on the flop we should still be good. Villian has put in ~30% of his stack, I would think that we should be anticipating a shove on nearly any card on the turn.

I don't think that the 6c changes our position, but I'd prefer shoving over on the flop than calling a shove on the turn because there's a big difference between shoving over on the flop when opp has made a donk bet and calling a turn shove when opp has just committed his whole stack. Opp's range of hands just narrowed quite considerably after the turn shove. Eg. a bad opp might donk bet the flop and call our shove with Tx but if he had a weak hand that we beat on the turn I'd expect him to check rather than shove.

[Kijjo]

Projectp, something I was thinking about while re-reading, have you considered getting in the habit of using the pot button on the betting tabs? I know FT has one, and I often use it in tourneys. I like that it's an odd amount (not standard 3xBB) - I think I get more folds because it looks screwy and people probably just don't like seeing the higher number.
Also I'm lazy.

[Nakamura]

Not too much to add here, but these types of bets at this level usually indicate draws. Opponents with sets at low levels love to play trappy and will usually check and raise a cb.

[gingerwizard]

kstarm: The difference between flop and turn is the amount of information we have. Villain bet changes our perception of what he has.

It's like those signs on the motorway that say "queue ahead." The queue, if it is there, usually takes only 5 minutes to get through, so you just slow down but carry on anyway. That sign is like the flop bet. If we then hear on the radio that there has been an accident ahead, the police have closed the road and upwards of 4 hour delays, we don't just carry on, we get off the motorway and find another route. The radio report was information and we don't ignore it!

Kijjo it is bad just to raise pot every time. You need to find the minimum raise amount that has the desired effect in order to optimally use and conserve your stack. Betting pot, when 2.5x will do the same job is spew.

[fulksy]

It's like those signs on the motorway that say "queue ahead." The queue, if it is there, usually takes only 5 minutes to get through, so you just slow down but carry on anyway. That sign is like the flop bet. If we then hear on the radio that there has been an accident ahead, the police have closed the road and upwards of 4 hour delays, we don't just carry on, we get off the motorway and find another route. The radio report was information and we don't ignore it!

Ginger you should write a book on poker metaphors. you have one for every situation. just beauts,

[poker3player333]

I'm not worried about a set. 2pair or TPTK seem most likely for worries sake. The buyin is low so this could very well be a draw or QJ overplayed.

tough spot but I think at these stakes it's probably a call.

I agree with a possible two pair or AJ. The low buy-in does make play looser, but probally should lay this one down and live to see another hand.

[drmcboy]

It's like those signs on the motorway that say "queue ahead."

lol britaments

[Projectp]

FWIW i called, especially considering the low buy in. I called expecting a lower J, if he had AJ i was going to pay him. He showed 9 10 off and lost his stack.

[FlowJoe]

His range is narrow but he was in the sb. You only bet 2 bets on the btn where I would bet stronger if I'm going with kojak, 3-4 bets to make it harder to call with a limited starting hand. So he could have started with a pair, 10-j or better , but the turn push makes one wonder. For almost tournament life at this level, I fold!

[frreshprince]

the stakes are so low and theres so many donks when you play 2$ buy ins, id call instantly, if he happens to be one of decent players that play at that level then good for him, and just go do another 2$ buy in. but i think more often then not this is a bluff where he may have some outs to win on the river.