[4,40 180] Shove Over Range

[Jack Sawyer]

About two minutes to get to next blind level
I have a very tight image
Reads indicate button is shoving kind of wide, probably about 25%.
i have seen openlimper openlimp more times, question:
what kind of range should we have to shove over have?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP3 (t1287)
CO (t4265)
Button (t1774)
Jizzy (SB) (t2994)
BB (t2730)
UTG (t3618)
UTG+1 (t6500)
MP1 (t2910)
MP2 (t12495)

Jizzy's M: 13.31

Preflop: Jizzy is SB with two cards
5 folds, CO calls t150, Button bets t1774 (All-In), Jizzy's range to shove over???

[donkbee]

Has he shoved over limps often too? One would assume that his range is less wide with the CO limp. What are your reads on the CO open limping?

AQ+ and 77+ too nitty?

[Jack Sawyer]

I dunno. Here is how I see it; in this situation, the vast majority of the time the openlimper has a pair. Button just wants to gambool to get some chips, since he's kind of feeling pressure from the blinds.

[drmcboy]

at least 10%

77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo

assuming you think CO will fold which seems reasonable. 60/40 vs top 25%.

[mcatdog]

Who cares what CO has. Unless he's trapping with a big pair he's not calling two shoves anyway so just X him out of the picture and call if you're ahead of CO's range given the pot odds.

[DrStrangeShove]

The button shove seems a little questionable. I would think he knows he would be likely to get folds considering he's got 3 potential callers. Hell of a time to take down a 375 pot with that stack. That being said I would think he has a big hand and is wanting a call. Seems like youre wanting to gamble so I would listen to the experts. Flat call with top 10%.

[Chopper]

ok. so, it seems 10% is the common answer so far.

what about when YOU have a big hand such as QQ+? are we ever flatting in hopes that CO calls a 3way so we can start s side pot with him? i am assuming that when we shove over CO only calls with huge hands, and do we really want that? or would we like a chance to beat a lesser range in a side pot?

is it feasible to push over with 88+/AQ+ but flat with KK/AA or the like?

[drmcboy]

we only have 1200 more behind, flatting is OK with big hands but I don't think it will make much difference.

[mcatdog]

is it feasible to push over with 88+/AQ+ but flat with KK/AA or the like?

You can if you want but don't you think it's a little too obvious when you flat a raise to 1700 and only leave yourself 1200 left? I have folded hands as strong as QQ before when a tight, predictable player made the play that you are advocating here.

If the button only had 600 chips then flatting with a big pair and inviting the limper along would be a very reasonable play.

[Chopper]

is it feasible to push over with 88+/AQ+ but flat with KK/AA or the like?

You can if you want but don't you think it's a little too obvious when you flat a raise to 1700 and only leave yourself 1200 left? I have folded hands as strong as QQ before when a tight, predictable player made the play that you are advocating here.

If the button only had 600 chips then flatting with a big pair and inviting the limper along would be a very reasonable play.

i agree its transparent. but, at lower stakes, like a 4.40, i dont think they see the obvious very often.

oh, and this is a beautiful play when you have junk and want to steal blinds against a "thinker" such as yourself.

[mcatdog]

Calling an overbet shove is a great play when you have junk and you just want to steal the blinds?

[Chopper]

Calling an overbet shove is a great play when you have junk and you just want to steal the blinds?

i mispoke. i forgot there was a player AI already. i was referring to raising an amount that appears to commit you to a pot. something like having a 1400 stack and instead of minraising, etc, you pop it up 800. it looks like you are begging for a call w/ a big hand. of course, you dont do that when someone is already all-in. and, its not a great re-steal, either. i forgot the original premise and was just quick-replying to the previous comment. sorry for the hijack.