Stars $11 KK spot

[NichaelBluth]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1225)
Hero (CO) (t2100)
Button (t4545)
SB (t2545)
BB (t1085)
UTG (t1285)
MP1 (t715)

Hero's M: 28.00

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
3 folds, Hero bets t150, Button calls t150, 2 folds

Flop: (t375) J, 10, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t200, Button calls t200

Turn: (t775) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t350, Button calls t350

River: (t1475) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t500, Button raises to t3845 (All-In)

Total pot: t2475

I have 900 to call. Villain hasn't done anything donk-like to get my attention.

[Projectp]

I hate to lay this down but im expecting to see JT or TT so i probably would and try to double up later

[NichaelBluth]

I cant resist pointing out that I called and he held
I'm not making this a bad beat post, my question is, is my hand ever good here?

[Projectp]

I wasnt expecting that hand, floating you to the river with low pair. I think your flop and turn bets were a little on the small side. Maybe bet the pot on the flop and if he calls probably cross my fingers and shove the turn. I hate going to the river with an overpair

[taipan168]

Don't post results so quickly, wait until you get a few more replies.

Anyway, I would bet more on the flop, 280-300 seems good - and again I would bet more on the turn, 2/3 to 3/4 pot or so. That way, you can shove the river and put the tough decision on whether to call on your opponent rather than have the tough decision put on you.

As played, you have to call, I'm very rarely folding an overpair in this spot when the obvious draws didn't come on on the river.

[Trons]

I cant resist pointing out that I called and he held
I'm not making this a bad beat post, my question is, is my hand ever good here?

I think you see AJ here so many times that it warrents a call (or QQ)...

I would have bet 300 on the flop and that would have made the pot about the same size as your stack on the turn...when it comes I just shove...

As everybody said, you want to put the tough decision on your opponent, specifically if you're putting him on a drawing hand like KQ or something like that.

Most of the time you will get called by hands like AJ, 99 or something else that missed though.

[rong]

it's pretty much been said already, but you have to be more aggressive here.

I would have pot bet the flop and shoved on the river. Especially with the JT on the flop, lots of people will call with KQ, KJ, AQ, AK, AJ, AT, K9 etc and if they are willing to chase I want to get the most I can out of them while I'm still ahead.

In these cases, I don't really want to see all the turn and river. I know we're ahead here, but I'd rather take maybe 2 or 3 pots of around 3-500 early on with aggression than go to a showdown.

That said, this guy is a complete donkey, and it's hard playing against donkeys cos you just don't know what they have.

But to reiterate, preflop raise was fine, then pot bed the flop and push on the turn would be how I play this and may of avoided the end outcome, but with the calls he was making, who knows what he would have done.

[TLR]

My first thought when I saw this hand was that villian has flopped a set.
I think you need to play it more aggressively as was stated by almost any other poster.

As played It is very hard for me to see anything that you beat that will make such a play. From pot odds point of view you have to call 900 to win about 2500, so you have to have the best hand more then 1 in 3 times, I doubt this is the case.

It will totally suck to fold after investing more then half your stack but I have to say it is a fold IMO

[taipan168]

As played It is very hard for me to see anything that you beat that will make such a play. From pot odds point of view you have to call 900 to win about 2500, so you have to have the best hand more then 1 in 3 times, I doubt this is the case.

It will totally suck to fold after investing more then half your stack but I have to say it is a fold IMO

I don't agree, I think there are definitely hands that we beat that might play like this. AJ, KJ, QJ, QQ and maybe even weird stuff like lower non-set pocket pairs or missed draws are all possible IMO.

I agree though that it sucks to put 1200 of your 2100 stack into the pot and have to fold though, we should ideally be AI on the turn.

[GatorJH]

My first thought when I saw this hand was that villian has flopped a set.

I thought this as well, but then thought a set (or two pair) would have raised the turn here so I then thought this was a missed draw trying to push. Then I thought that the board was dry enough that I could see a set flatting on the turn here with the intention of getting it in on the river.

Def agree with others that if we play this hand correctly it goes to the bad beat forum and as played I would probably call because there are enough bad players at the $11's that you see hands like QJ, T9 or even KQ enough here to make a call +ev. Howz THAT for a runon sentence?

[poker3player333]

I cant resist pointing out that I called and he held
I'm not making this a bad beat post, my question is, is my hand ever good here?

If he was BB preflop not a bad call on his part with a small suited connector. Don't like him calling it down with 4s since he thought he had the best hand but was clearly wrong. Too bad

[Poker Orifice]

Although I'm wanting/wishing to leave some behind to bet river, I'm more likely to bet much bigger here on the turn (close to 3/4+pot).

[taipan168]

If he was BB preflop not a bad call on his part with a small suited connector.

No, it would be a bad call with 43s even if he was in the BB because he still wouldn't have enough implied odds to justify making the call (remembering that you flop two pair or better less than 5% of the time, opp won't stack off every time you do, and a small SC like this has a greater risk of reverse implied odds), and he's out of position postflop.