Analysis with SNG Wiz

[cag8f]

Hey all. This query is posed to any that use SNG Wiz (or similar analysis program) to analyze their ICM play.

After a healthy win rate during my first few thousand SNGs, I'm even after my last ~1200 tourneys (some $5, mostly $10, and some $20). I'd like to use SNG Wiz on this decent sample size to assess my ICM play.

SNG Wiz can tell me what mistakes I made during any given SNG. And after analyzing all my SNGs, if I see that I repeatedly made the same couple of mistakes (fold KK preflop or push any T2o), then it will be simple to plug those leaks. But I will conceivably have a few thousand different situations (e.g. pushing AJo into 8 players with 9bb, pushing over a bubble UTG raise w/A-rag, etc) for which to learn the correct play.

So after analyzing all my SNGs, I'll have a long list of the different mistakes I made. My problem is, given this potentially long list of specific mistakes, how can I pinpoint my general leaks? It's not as simple as saying, "Don't repeat the mistakes you made," because there will be thousands of mistakes, and no two mistakes will be identical. Some may be *similar* to others though, e.g. same hole cards, same amount of players left, similar stack sizes. There must be a way I can systematically classify each mistake into categories. After, the hope is that it will be easier to spot and excise the leaks (e.g. I'll see that 50% of my mistakes were a result of calling any all ins with suited connectors). Has anyone done this? If so, how exactly did you categorize your mistakes/situations?

Is this even the right approach, or is there some other method I should use to determine my leaks (ICM or not)? It's easy to use SNG Wiz to see what you did wrong in hindsight. But to the players that do so, do you do anything to help you remember those mistakes in the future? Or do you not have trouble retaining that info the next time you're in a similar situation? I've analyzed tourneys with SNG Wiz before and seen mistakes I made, but just have trouble recalling that info the next time I'm in a similar situation.

I don't expect this post to get many replies to this because it's relatively long and abstract. But if anyone could give me tips, I'd love to hear them. I could also post any analysis methodology I used, and leaks gleaned from said analysis, if there was interest.

I'm also aware that I may not have any significant ICM leaks--I may have leaks that SNG Wiz can't pinpoint. But I think this exercise will be useful nonetheless.

[bjsaust]

Generally you want to use it as a learning tool, rather than just as a mistake finding tool. Lets say you find that shoving A8o OTB is wrong with the ranges you give the blinds and the stack sizes. Dont stop there. Find what hands are a shove from there in that situation. Then change the stack sizes and see what changes, then change calling ranges and see what changes. Stuff like that.

[taipan168]

Take a look at the FAQs, I linked a couple of threads where how to get the best out of SNG Wiz was discussed.

[cag8f]

Thanks for the replies. I know what information SNG Wiz can provide, and it's great. But that information is realized in hindsight, and is rendered useless if I can't retain and apply it during subsequent SNGs. My question isn't so much, "How can I use SNG Wiz to improve my game?" as it is, "How can I retain what I learn from SNG Wiz?" My problem is more of a general, "How do humans learn" question, and I think the answer lies in repetition. I want to specifically ask SNG Wiz users if, after you realized a certain move was incorrect, are you able to instantly correct that mistake in future SNGs? Are there any learning techniques you use to retain that info and apply it in the future?

In parallel, I'd still like to quantitatively analyze my ~1200 SNGs in a manner that will illuminate any ICM leaks I have. If anyone has any thoughts on how exactly, please let me know.

[flomo]

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[taipan168]

My problem is more of a general, "How do humans learn" question, and I think the answer lies in repetition. I want to specifically ask SNG Wiz users if, after you realized a certain move was incorrect, are you able to instantly correct that mistake in future SNGs? Are there any learning techniques you use to retain that info and apply it in the future?

You're right, the answer does lie in repetition. By analysing lots of hands you can drill general "rules" into your head like "AJo and 88 are the worst hands you can shove with 12x BB from UTG on a 6-handed table" and "when blinds are 100/200 ante 25 and your stack is 1500 then you can shove ATC on the button".

In parallel, I'd still like to quantitatively analyze my ~1200 SNGs in a manner that will illuminate any ICM leaks I have. If anyone has any thoughts on how exactly, please let me know.

Not sure if there's a way to do this, you have to look at each game individually.