Todays 50nl hands

[bjsaust]

Hand 1

Std TAG no real reads:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($51.20)
Hero (SB) ($56.70)
BB ($55.45)
UTG ($49.35)
MP ($50.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
2 folds, Button bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4) 4, 10, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($10) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

River: ($25) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $11, Hero calls $11

Total pot: $47


Is this like the QQ hand I posted previously, where I should c/r flop for value? Is river a fold?



Hand 2

Both players are very loose, over 50%vpip and low PFR, neither like folding postflop either:


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($60.85)
Button ($46.75)
SB ($45)
BB ($20)
Hero (UTG) ($94.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero bets $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 7, 6, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($17.25) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($17.25) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $17.25, BB calls $14.25 (All-In), Hero calls $17.25

Total pot: $66


I think the real decision is turn, is it a bet? HU I'd bet v's either of these guys, but with both of them I felt there was a good chance one of them had the 7. I guess that makes river a fold also then? I think I played this one backwards...


Hand 3

TAG I have a fair amount of history with. Definately capable of floating with PPs for a street, maybe other stuff although OOP that would be bad. FDs also.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($69.60)
Hero (Button) ($54.75)
SB ($60.30)
BB ($49.60)
UTG ($50)
MP ($48)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 9
3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 7, 5, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.25) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($18.25) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $18.25

I'm just really not sure when/if I'm supposed to double barrel or not. Is this a good or bad spot? I know 7 doesnt strengthen my range, but I'm basically trying to get him to fold anything other than an Ace (or better) including his draws. If I dbl barrel should I have made the turn bigger, 6.5-7 maybe?


Thanks in advance guys, I do appreciate the help.

[bjsaust]

Oh one more:

Hand 4

Other two players were loose fish, but SB was a 17/9 with 70% fold to c-bet and no raises of cbets in 6 hands before this.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($49.50)
BB ($123.97)
Hero (UTG) ($49.25)
MP ($49.25)
CO ($84.92)
Button ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A
Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, CO calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) K, A, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5, 1 fold, SB raises $22, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $17

Folds good there right?

[will641]

1) definitely just call the river. since you don't have a reason not to, i would 3-bet pre. i think since you just called pre, i would c/r the flop for value a lot, and definitely the turn as played.
2) meh, just fold. sucks, but that guy probably aint firing pot with air.
3) i would just shut down on the turn. that card kinda stinks.

[bjsaust]

Ok, but why does it stink? Just because it obviously didnt help us, or because there are now 2 FDs on the board? Some other reason?

[oskar]

1 I would definitely 3-bet pre. If I had ever flatted JJ in this spot I would have probably played it this way :P

2 - I would b/f the turn and fold river as played. I'm not too concerned with 7x in particular... there are like a gazillion draws out there.

3 - I think I check the turn. draws call, 7x just improved... you might fold out a couple of pp's but that's not such a huge part of his range there imo. - I'm betting a safe river though.

4 - I curse a little, then I fold... or more likely peel one then curse some more, then fold to the turn bet.

[bjsaust]

Calling leaves me with a fair bit less than a PSB behind on hand 4. A smaller raise I might call and evaluate, but it didnt seem good here.

Hand 3 is a terrible barrel card
if he has an ace, is he folding? If he has a random 7, is he folding? He's probably going to spaz out with a flush draw and raise you

barreling ace high boards is fail

[griffey24]

hand 1) I'd 3bet pre, and probably c/r the flop if I called pre. Doubt he'll fold a T really here.

hand 2) Wow.. how can you overcall this?? NOOOO.. like .. the poker gods are trying to give you the easiest spot to fold ever. Top pair pairs, four to straight.. AND an open shove AND a call.. and you still want to call here??

hand 3) really bad turn card to double barrel... I'd just shut down.

hand 4) I'm not sure really... he reps like two hands.. A3 and 333...but would prob c/r with QJdd, JTdd and Kxdd potentially. I think its close...I might peel this.

[meeloche]

1) Can you 3 bet and get in JJ bvb at 50nl? Or how bout how this guy plays vs 3 bets in late position? Something you should be thinking about and there should be a reason you flat oop here. As played river's pretty close cause it looks like he's going for thin value. I may call here cause of his betsize.

2) I think you should b/f the turn.

3) Bad turn to barrel, I don't expect him to fold anything he called the flop with. If you bet the turn you have to bet the river which I probably wouldn't do.

4) meh, folding's not terrible i'd probably call one and reeval turn.

[nutsinho]

I HATE all of these hands.
1. 3bet preflop like 97% of the time and fail that lead or c/r flop
2. it seems to me to be a pretty clear fold to a big bet from either player. I would love to hear your explanation for an overcall.
3. far from a great spot to double
4. very easy shove or call/call brick spot. his raise size screams combo draw. He probably doesnt checkraise 4.5x your cbet to half his stack with 333, and the potential for him superfastplaying A3s doesnt account for a lot of weighted combos either.

[bjsaust]

1. Hmm, I've never really 3-bet JJ because most people's stackoff range doesnt include any worse PPs. I can definately see the c/r on the flop, but if I 3-bet JJ and he 4-bets do I stack off or fold?

2. I agree the call was bad. No good reason for calling with both of them in it. V's one I might call just because they were so bad (bettor had a 6, but caller had the straight).

3. Like I say, I really dont know what makes a good double spot and what doesnt. Is there a card that would be good to double here? What kinds of things should I be considering?

4. Hmm, I guess I expected a semi-bluff to be a smaller bet, but you're saying he's more likely to bet bigger with a combo than with a big made hand? If he's on a combo draw then is call/call better, since we're actually behind a combo on the flop?

[JL]

1. Hmm, I've never really 3-bet JJ because most people's stackoff range doesnt include any worse PPs. I can definately see the c/r on the flop, but if I 3-bet JJ and he 4-bets do I stack off or fold?

3-bet folding JJ would be bad.
If he 4-bets and you shove, and villain is tight and only calls with QQ+ AKo, Aks, then it will still be EV+ as long as villain folds to your 5-bet jam roughly 25-30% of the time or more.

You should do some math on this to confirm.

[minSim]

Villain has three ranges (fold, call, raise), not just 1. Especially him being IP makes his calling range important as well.

And without reads you're far from maximizing value by playing a hand like this passively OOP.

[griffey24]

1. Hmm, I've never really 3-bet JJ because most people's stackoff range doesnt include any worse PPs. I can definately see the c/r on the flop, but if I 3-bet JJ and he 4-bets do I stack off or fold?

3-bet folding JJ would be bad.

I think this statement is very read based. If you have a read on someone that they are kinda fishy and call a lot of 3bets, then you really have to 3bet JJ here. BUT if they suddenly 4bet, I wouldn't say that 3-bet folding JJ is bad at all. It's not like we are turning JJ into a bluff by 3betting, we just expect a call a majority of the time and now have to re-adjust our range for villain given we got 4bet.

[Alexos]

Hand 2 tilts me haaardddd!!!!
Hand 4 probably peeel one and get it in on a non-diamond turn

[JL]

1. Hmm, I've never really 3-bet JJ because most people's stackoff range doesnt include any worse PPs. I can definately see the c/r on the flop, but if I 3-bet JJ and he 4-bets do I stack off or fold?

3-bet folding JJ would be bad.

I think this statement is very read based. If you have a read on someone that they are kinda fishy and call a lot of 3bets, then you really have to 3bet JJ here. BUT if they suddenly 4bet, I wouldn't say that 3-bet folding JJ is bad at all. It's not like we are turning JJ into a bluff by 3betting, we just expect a call a majority of the time and now have to re-adjust our range for villain given we got 4bet.

Agreed.
I meant 3-bet folding here against a "std tagg" would be bad. If that's the only read I have, then I am 3-betting and never folding preflop Blinds vs Button.