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    Default advice on a couple questionable plays

    I have not been posting hands here recently because I noticed a lot of my questions could be answered by simply running SnG or reviewing the hand and seeing where I messed up but these hands I really question myself on. Thoughts?

    Hand 1: Villian is 67/5/1.6 He had gotten his stack by turning and rivering some lucky cards after the money went in against better made hands. He played TPWK aggresivley and had been using his stack to bully. I didn't mind the others coming along as they were pretty tight and didn't see them having anything that hit this board too hard.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2+0.25 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP (t1560)
    CO (t2020)
    Button (t1870)
    SB (t4350)
    Hero (BB) (t2585)
    UTG (t1115)

    Hero's M: 14.36

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 5
    2 folds, CO calls t120, Button calls t120, SB calls t60, Hero checks

    Flop: (t480) 3, 4, 4 (4 players)
    SB bets t120, Hero calls t120, CO calls t120, Button calls t120

    Turn: (t960) 2 (4 players)
    SB bets t960, Hero raises to t2345 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t1385

    River: (t5650) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t5650

    Hand 2: This is the second hand of the tourn. My main question here is the turn/river bet. In my head I was trying to get value out of QJ, AQ, J9. I have already kicked my myself for the PF limp vs folding. I am also questioning my river call after the min raise by SB.

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    Button (t1470)
    SB (t1380)
    BB (t1500)
    UTG (t1500)
    UTG+1 (t1500)
    MP1 (t1890)
    Hero (MP2) (t1500)
    MP3 (t1380)
    CO (t1380)

    Hero's M: 33.33

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, A
    2 folds, MP1 calls t30, Hero calls t30, MP3 calls t30, 2 folds, SB calls t15, BB checks

    Flop: (t150) K, Q, Q (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks

    Turn: (t150) 10 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t60, MP3 calls t60, SB calls t60, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t60

    River: (t450) 8 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t150, 1 fold, SB raises to t300, 2 folds, Hero calls t150

    Total pot: t1050

    Hand 3: I elected to call thinking I had a decent hand and could get away if the flop was unfavorable with enough chips to be ok. PF call and the push is what I am questioning.

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    UTG (t2330)
    MP (t2730)
    Button (t1265)
    SB (t5285)
    Hero (BB) (t1890)

    Hero's M: 12.60

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 10
    UTG bets t300, 3 folds, Hero calls t200

    Flop: (t650) 9, 8, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets t1590 (All-In), UTG calls t1590

    Turn: (t3830) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t3830) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t3830


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    Hand 1: Seems perfectly fine. NH

    Hand 2: I don't mind the limp although I usually fold. As played, frankly, I think you played it a little weak, but it's OK not to go broke in a 5-way limped pot. No way you can fold for such a small raise when villain could easily think Tx is good.

    Hand 3: Fold preflop. A re-steal is OK vs. aggressive button but you're way behind in a HU pot vs. UTG raiser. As played, obviously you can't ever fold on that flop. However, if I were UTG I would call with any piece of this flop and any PP.
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    Hand 1 - no way I'm calling the flop after 3 callers. I'd of raised, possibly min raise, possibly 3x, but I would have wanted more in the pot at this point and possibly 1 or 2 less callers. As played, not much else you could do after the turn card.

    Hand 2 - Should prob fold preflop, but the limp is fine. On the flop, c/f. Once the turn hit, prob would have raises 120. But no way I'm calling the final bet, I'm ready to go broker on this hand if need be. I'd say the 150 bet is ok, maybe a little weak, prob of gone for 300, but once reraised, I'd be wanting all my chips in.

    Hand 3: Fold here preflop. baudib makes a good point about steeling depending on villain. As played, I like the shove. Overcards, OE str8 & flush draws. Better to raise than call. If you're not raising, what the hell did you call for. Even if you're up against AA you're the favourite here. No choice at this point.
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    Personally, I dont see anything wrong with play of first two hands, good play. If player had Kings, which I don't think he did(sp) TOUGH LUCK. Second hand, you checked into made hand on turn. limited betting allows prudent calls. Now hand three, I cannot push on the flop, although you have both str8t and flush draws. Maybe I'm not aggressive enough in these situations but that's just me. It's early in the tournment. How did the hands work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowJoe
    How did the hands work out?
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    Well I as hoping to wait until I got a few more responses but outcome looks dim. I did want to say I am glad baudib has started posting again(?), I have seen nothing but good post/advice from this guy. Good points as well Dan.


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    1 fine

    2 I would raise or fold pre, afterward looks good

    3 fold pre flop, with these stack sizes close to the bubble chip conservation should be your first thought

    as played check raise, your overbet shove looks exactly like what it is. Leading the flop is OK too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy

    3 fold pre flop, with these stack sizes close to the bubble chip conservation should be your first thought

    as played check raise, your overbet shove looks exactly like what it is. Leading the flop is OK too.
    So the thinking of call and be able to fold to unfavorable flop is in no way a good line of thought this late in the tourn? (wow I should have reread this wquestion before hitting submit, obvious answer and not too smart of a question)

    Good point on the lead-c/r instead. I am assuming c/r should be shove but if you were to lead what size seems good?


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  8. #8
    Don't post results, they don't matter.

    Hand 1 (54o) - I would raise to like 350 to try to build the pot so we can get AI on the turn or river, but I guess since you managed to do that anyway your line is OK.

    Hand 2 (AJo) - I'd just fold it preflop since our postflop position is poor. As played, postflop is fine

    Hand 3 (JTs) - definitely fold preflop. As drmcboy said, chip preservation is critical here and even if the flop comes J or T high you might lose a lot of chips with the second best hand against the sorts of hands that an UTG raiser might have. As played, the flop you got was one of the best ones you could hope for and they don't come all that often. I'd check-raise AI rather than shoving.

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