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    Default nl200: AKo UTG confusion 3way

    SB is 25/22/2.3 over 550 hands, 3bets 9.7% and is pretty good overall. His 3betting is kind of distributed wierd, w/ 11% MP, 0% CO, only 5% button, 15%SB and 11% BB. BB is a pretty passive fish. I only have 25 hands on him, but hes done things fish do. I fold AK preflop less than chardrian gets pms, but ....

    Bonus question: Without BB's action, should i be calling 150bbs deep and playing a flop vs SB?

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    saw flop

    BB ($67.45)
    Hero (UTG) ($285)
    MP ($226.50)
    CO ($144.05)
    Button ($49.05)
    SB ($360)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
    Hero bets $7, 3 folds, SB raises to $25, BB raises to $67.45 (All-In), Hero ????
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    I think calling or shoving both have a lot more downside than upside, mainly since the SB 3-bet your UTG raise. Call / folding is a waste, and moving in against the SB's A-A or K-K is also quite bad obviously. Plus, even if the SB ends up not having a big hand here, you can still end up losing a coinflip against the BB's 8-8 or whatever.

    By the way, what does "3-bets 9.7%" mean? He actually 3-bets preflop one out of every ten hands, or does it mean something else? I wouldn't put too much faith in the numbers you have on the positions where the SB 3-bets, since you're probably dealing with a pretty small sample of 3-bettable hands.
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    9.7% basically rounds out to 1 out of 10 times when theres a raise before he acts he 3-bets. Takes a large sample of hands overall to get a good sample of those situations.

    I think there are times you can fold AK, this feels like one.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    yeah it takes a big sample to really know someones 3betting tendencies, but even over 500 hands you get a pretty good idea. this guy def 3bets more than most.
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    shove and hope SB folds giving you overlay
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    I fold this. SB is not 3betting a loose range vs. your UTG raise if he is half as good as you indicate unless you've been playing too much out of UTG.
    I think a generous range for SB here is AK, JJ+. With 3.5bb in and 150bb deep, EZ fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
    I fold this. SB is not 3betting a loose range vs. your UTG raise if he is half as good as you indicate unless you've been playing too much out of UTG.
    I think a generous range for SB here is AK, JJ+. With 3.5bb in and 150bb deep, EZ fold.
    he's 3b way wider than that to "defend his blind"
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
    I fold this. SB is not 3betting a loose range vs. your UTG raise if he is half as good as you indicate unless you've been playing too much out of UTG.
    I think a generous range for SB here is AK, JJ+. With 3.5bb in and 150bb deep, EZ fold.
    he's 3b way wider than that to "defend his blind"
    iopq, i never stated this and its a pretty big mistake to think someone who i described as being good would think this way. When good players 3bet from the blinds its not to "defend their blind". were not playing limit here.
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    definitely fold and yes, call in other scenario.
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