KK - $6.50 turbo - hand analysis.

[Random_Hero]

I liked the way GatorJH has recently posted some hands an i thought i'd do the same with this hand. its early in a $6.50 Turbo and again remember I know exactly how the hand pans out... once a few replies have been posted i'll post the next part of the hand and so on

no reads on any villains except CO, who was playing nearly every hand and had shown down a ridiculous holding to win a big pot (9-3os hit a full house, he called a rasie with it PF) so I had him down as a bit of a loose donk.

PF i think i should have raised more PF but meh...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00+$0.50 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1440)
UTG (t1490)
UTG+1 (t1470)
MP1 (t1080)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1410)
CO (t2650)
Hero (Button) (t1430)
SB (t1060)

Hero's M: 31.78

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
5 folds, CO calls t30, Hero bets t90, SB calls t75, BB calls t60, CO calls t60

Flop: (t360) 5, 8, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero????

whats your move and why?

[taipan168]

150 preflop, particularly if you've got a loose caller in front who will call your raise with any old crap.

As played, that's quite a drawy flop and there are three opps so I bet full pot.

[TLR]

Pretty much what Tai said, with one limper in front raise more preflop, you want to narrow the field to one player and with your read CO is likely to call.

On the flop you cant really give a free card, I would bet a bit less then full pot, probably 300

[Nakamura]

At least 150 PF. I think I pump in the pot here ... way too many scary cards in the deck and it sets you up for a push on the turn if a black comes out.

[rong]

Yeah pretty much agree, 120 - 150 preflop. As it stands, it's tricky. I would prob raise slightly more than the pot. With the loose guy calling all sorts he may well play along. So 400 raise on the flop for me.

[tuuk2]

I agree with the pot raise. You've got to try to weed out some of those players if you can to see where you stand. Your hope is that CO stays in the hand with a draw or top pair. Of course, based on the earlier hand, he could have stayed in this hand and flopped the straight.

What was his earlier move after he hit the full house? Did he check or bet out big?

[GatorJH]

150 pre-flop and pot it on the flop

[surviva316]

sounds like everyone's in agreement here and i agree. would also like to point out that it's not only profitable to bet at this wet flop to PROTECT your hand; also it is profitable because people trying to build their stacks are gonna call along with their spades and JT and such so the margin of value is much fatter (even if it does means that 98 and 65 sucked out on you)

[Random_Hero]

Ok... thanks for replies...

I actually bet 270, just under a pot size bet, and SB shoves over all-in. he hasn't shown any strength PF and now he shoves all-in. are we going broke here and calling? what realistic range can we put him on considering we have no reads and does our hand beat his raneg? would trips or a made straight play like this? would he shove a flush draw or combo draw?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00+$0.50 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1440)
UTG (t1490)
UTG+1 (t1470)
MP1 (t1080)
MP2 (t1470)
MP3 (t1410)
CO (t2650)
Hero (Button) (t1430)
SB (t1060)

Hero's M: 31.78

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
5 folds, CO calls t30, Hero bets t90, SB calls t75, BB calls t60, CO calls t60

Flop: (t360) 5, 8, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets t270, SB raises to t970 (All-In), 2 folds Hero???

[taipan168]

Hero insta calls:

Board: 5s 8d 9s
Dead:

equity win tie
Hand 0: 53.567% 52.07% 01.49% { KdKh }
Hand 1: 46.433% 44.94% 01.49% { 88+, 55, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, A9s, KsQs, 76s, A9o }

[TLR]

I call

[GatorJH]

I think draws make up a huge part of his range here and would call.

[Random_Hero]

lol... looking back this was a farily simple call... wasn't quite the chin scratching hand i 1st thought lol...!!

I c alled and he showed aces...

[theBlueTick]

I think the interesting questions here related to the villian's play:

What do you guys think of the villian's shove here?
Does the bet he's raising over suggest a bluff, top pair but not the nuts or a draw - so he know's he's ahead - especially given the pf bet?
Did he get the check wrong and should have come out betting?
Should he gone all in pf over the initial raise?

[GatorJH]

villain played this hand horribly. He absolutely should have 3bet pre-flop then just open shoved the flop.