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  1. #1

    Default AK flops TPTK on coordinated board ($6.50)

    Opp seems decent running at 14/9/inf over 45 hands. I've not seen him do anything fancy yet.

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    UTG (t1250)
    Hero (MP1) (t3135)
    MP2 (t1900)
    CO (t1400)
    Button (t2420)
    SB (t1465)
    BB (t1930)

    Hero's M: 20.90

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with ,
    1 fold, Hero bets t250, 2 folds, Button calls t250, 2 folds

    Flop: (t650) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets t300, Button
    raises to t900
    , Hero ???
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    This is a tricky one.

    Definitely possible tha you are behind here. And looking at villains stack, it seems he is pot committed.

    Range that beats you is JJ+, KJ, KQ & AT.

    However, def possible you are up against KT or even TT.

    As you stack is pretty healthy and you aren't yet pot committed and villains seems a reasonable player, I think I mimght fold this one. If I thougt you had some fold equity I might consider shoving, but I don't think you have any so I am leaning towards a fold.
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  3. #3
    I agree with Dan, against a good player the best I think you can hope for with that action is a split with another AK:

    Board: Jc Qh Ks
    Dead:

    equity win tie
    Hand 0: 26.066% 17.44% 08.62% { AdKh }
    Hand 1: 73.934% 65.31% 08.62% { JJ+, AKs, ATs, KJs+, QJs, AKo, ATo, KJo+, QJo }

    FWIW I bet the flop a little harder, say 400, but meh.
  4. #4
    If an average player makes his first fancy play of the night, he usually gets the benefit of the doubt from me. I think the best you could hope for is that you're up against another AK.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    FWIW I bet the flop a little harder, say 400, but meh.
    Why would you bet the flop harder? It's unlikely opp has T and we obviously aren't afraid of a T.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    FWIW I bet the flop a little harder, say 400, but meh.
    Why would you bet the flop harder? It's unlikely opp has T and we obviously aren't afraid of a T.
    Mainly because you don't want opp calling with a draw, but I guess if he'll call 300 he'll call 400.
  7. #7
    OK, I folded pretty much because I couldn't think of anything I actually beat playing this way. After the hand I SSed him and found that although he was a winning player (13%), he was on tilt. Would anyone change the way they played based on this information?
  8. #8
    This is one of the few boards that I may chose to not c-bet tptk when OOP
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  9. #9
    all the information you have points to a fold so nice fold

    his re-raise reeks of a better hand. he's more than likely hoping you shove over so he can call with his 2 pair/3 of a kind/straight.

    I don't think that knowing he was on tilt (according to scope) would change this from a fold.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Nakamura
    OK, I folded pretty much because I couldn't think of anything I actually beat playing this way. After the hand I SSed him and found that although he was a winning player (13%), he was on tilt. Would anyone change the way they played based on this information?
    Far more important that he's a winning player (if that's over a decent sample size) than SS shows he's on tilt. All "tilt" means is that he's finished 4 games in a row OOTM, and if that's their definition then we've all been on "tilt" (and also "super tilt" = 8 games OOTM) at some stage.
  11. #11
    The non-push on the flop despite his dwindling stack would definitely scare me away on a board like that, you can afford to get away from this one
  12. #12
    c/c flop, go from there. even hands you are head of like JT,QT,KT are in decent shape to out draw/play you.

    what you would guys cold call with as BU here pre flop? Looks like a shove or fold spot to me so I'm already spooked but I don't play single tables anymore. 14/9 not the kind of stats I would expect him to be calling wide trying to win the pot later.

    Tai - what draws are you folding for 400?
  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    c/c flop, go from there. even hands you are head of like JT,QT,KT are in decent shape to out draw/play you.
    Come to think of it, I agree that checking the flop is a better line than betting and I would call or fold depending on how big he bet

    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    what you would guys cold call with as BU here pre flop? Looks like a shove or fold spot to me so I'm already spooked but I don't play single tables anymore. 14/9 not the kind of stats I would expect him to be calling wide trying to win the pot later.
    That's the weird thing, if I was in this spot the only hands I'd cold call with here if I had reads on Naka would be AA, KK as traps, QQ (but I'd be usually re-raising that), maybe 99-JJ and AK and that's it. If Naka was very LAGG I'd add AQ but that's about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Tai - what draws are you folding for 400?
    None, and the thing is that if you look at my range above there are almost no drawing hands in it. Since this is a WA/WB situation I agree that checking the flop is better
  14. #14
    I think it's more like a Barely Ahead/Well Behind situation.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  15. #15
    I wonder how often, if we check here, villain sticks in a bet? A decent opp probably bets quite often. Anyone fancy a check-raise line here?

    If you check the flop with the view of calling, how much are you calling?

    Any thoughts on a smaller blocking bet on the flop? Or is this play too exploitable?
  16. #16
    the problem with a blocking bet is you fold hands that are drawing almost dead and make it even more likely you get raised and have to fold the best hand since you'll look weak. the best thing about getting to the turn is all the sudden the Tx types are not going to be so keen to bet or raise you with only one card to come

    if we check imo we have to call one bet on the flop regardless of size. assuming we do not improve given his spooky line to that point I think it's fine to c/f from there. again if he has a weak pair+ draw type hand he'll usually take a free card and will probably have enough of a hand to check the river too.

    if he makes some weird over bet that commits us on the flop I would shove over because that doesn't make sense with huge hands.

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