TT at a micro

[Ragnar4]

20 big bets-ish

Villain is 20/2/46 with a tiny aggro frequency. Like .06 He also has only 3-bet once.

I just figgured that I was against premiums, or flipping here...



PokerStars Game #27574985962: Tournament #158091277, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/04/28 0:10:34 ET
Table '158091277 278' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Joforegon (3070 in chips)
Seat 2: AZ352 (5677 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: Mr. FlopSlop (4575 in chips)
Seat 4: xDimasx696 (5070 in chips)
Seat 5: Ragnar4 (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: tester27 (2435 in chips)
Seat 7: Set to Fail (7370 in chips)
Seat 8: coffeeerik (2500 in chips)
Seat 9: pufpufpas2me (6940 in chips)
pufpufpas2me: posts small blind 75
Joforegon: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ragnar4 [Tc Th]
AZ352: folds
Mr. FlopSlop: folds
xDimasx696: folds
Ragnar4: raises 225 to 375
tester27: raises 2060 to 2435 and is all-in
Set to Fail: folds
coffeeerik: folds
pufpufpas2me: folds
Joforegon: folds
Ragnar4: folds
Uncalled bet (2060) returned to tester27
tester27 collected 975 from pot
tester27: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 975 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Joforegon (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: AZ352 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mr. FlopSlop folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: xDimasx696 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Ragnar4 folded before Flop
Seat 6: tester27 collected (975)
Seat 7: Set to Fail folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: coffeeerik (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: pufpufpas2me (small blind) folded before Flop

[baudib]

How big is your sample size there? I think it's pretty dangerous to read too much into someone who you only have like 40-50 hands on sometimes. I've folded good hands a lot of times because someone who raises like 8% comes in for 4xBB and then he flips over A7s.

My default would be to call here but if this is a guy who's been very passive and is playing his cards pretty much faceup, folding is OK.

[mcatdog]

Yeah I think this is a situation where you made a really bad fold because you relied too heavily on your HUD.

[chardrian]

I agree that 46 hands is not a big sample.

Also agg factor means nothing when we are dealing solely with preflop action.

The thing with this hand is that many players will be around a 20/2 over the first 45ish hands especially on stars - but the way stars' structure works is that you end up getting a shitton of openshove or reshove stacks once the second hour starts so oftentimes the first hour stats can go out the window.

My default is to call here - but this is never a fistpump call. It is a sigh and call.

[hopeful]

I have two ways to look at this. If you had a big stack M>20 I would fold assuming I was probably at best in a coin flip situation and that better situations would present before the blinds were an issue. However in this case M around 10, in the $2.20 the blinds come so quick you may not get a better situation so I would reluctantly call.

[Luco]

Any advocates for shoving pre here? I'd probably be shoving pre here.

[Ragnar4]

I have two ways to look at this. If you had a big stack M>20 I would fold assuming I was probably at best in a coin flip situation and that better situations would present before the blinds were an issue. However in this case M around 10, in the $2.20 the blinds come so quick you may not get a better situation so I would reluctantly call.

I thought in online tournaments M meant much less than the number of big bets you had for a number of reasons, most important of which being that the blinds increase way too fast for M to be a good determiner of hand strength.

Because M is functionally dependant upon longer rounds in order for a good number of hands to have passed...

If you put it in an M paradigm this is a pretty clear call. I had just read a few articles suggesting I should shift my thought process here which is why I thought it was closer than that.

[CorbinDallas]

i'd expect to see AK AQ here alot. maybe not from this guy.... but a smaller PP alot too.

[sinister1]

You should not be raise/folding with your stack size. Its very close but < 20xbb is a good cutoff point. Someone suggested shoving which is not a bad idea since TT doesn't play so great post flop if you just raise and happen to get called which will happen a lot more often at micro stakes where players are loose/passive. Although without antes shoving might not be the best idea I still think it has some merit at these stakes and people will definitely call you with worse often enough.