raise yes, call shorty no?

[CorbinDallas]

$10 30kg

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t880)
BB (t1245)
UTG (t7020)
UTG+1 (t4590)
MP1 (t5060)
Hero (MP2) (t5965)
MP3 (t1250)
CO (t3140)
Button (t4360)

Hero's M: 66.28

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, K
3 folds, Hero bets t180, 3 folds, SB raises to t880 (All-In), 2 folds

Total pot: t420

calling with KJ just seems bad... even though small pairs and Ax are probable here. but we're still behind.

[Fjaman]

I would fold that pre in that stage of the tourney

[baudib]

Call.

[hopeful]

This doesnt answer your question, I worked out the maths a little while ago and just copied it from my blog, its my default strategy in this situation

Assumed situation
Blinds 200/400 ante 50 Hero stack 15 000 M=15

Hero raises 3bb and a smaller stack moves all in for total 6bb
What do you need to call
Assumption 1 the smaller stack moved with top10% hand
The following are favourits to win and hence must call TT+,AQ+ thats only 9 hands AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT,AKs,AQs,AKo,AQo. In all other situations pot odds must decide.
Assumption 2 the odds. Pot = 9x50+200+400+1200+2400=4650
you must lay 1200 more in to a 4650 pot odds 3.8:1
Assumption 3 if expectation is positive then (P is win %)
Px4650>1200. So P>26%
So to have positive expectation you should call with all hands that have more than 26% chance against the 10% range of the villain.
These cards are an incredibly large number including Ax,Kx,Qx,J3+
It definately includes all of the cards i would have made the raise with in the first place.

If you get re raised behind by a small stack (all in) you should probably always call

[Deanglow]

you shouldn't raise fold any hand here against him

[mcatdog]

you shouldn't raise fold any hand here against him

Not necessarily true although I'd call here. OP do you have Pokerstove? You should be able to figure this one out yourself without posting it.

[chardrian]

yeah there's no antes in play so you can easily raise/fold a lot of hands here.

pot has 1120 and you have to call 700. 700/1820=38.46%

There are definitely ranges which you shoulc be folding to here.

Your breakeven range is against any pair, any suited broadway, ATo+ and QKo:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.615% 37.39% 01.22% 1190950416 38901840.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 61.385% 60.16% 01.22% 1916131344 38901840.00 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KQo }

[Fjaman]

I think villains range here is like 88+ AJ+, in that case:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.230% 30.83% 00.40% 481480284 6212028.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 68.770% 68.37% 00.40% 1067716908 6212028.00 { 88+, AJs+, AJo+

Maybe he has given up and just pushes with any cars he thinks looks good but if thats true, your calling profit is slim.
I dont think you have enough info here to make a good decision...

[baudib]

I think shortstacks are pushing a lot of Ax and Kx and QJ/QT as well, but I suppose our arbitrary ranges for shorties here is prejudiced by whether we want to call or fold. I want to call.

[CorbinDallas]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,938,270,272 games 0.005 secs 1,187,654,054,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.531% 38.62% 01.91% 2293350732 113476320.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 59.469% 57.56% 01.91% 3417966900 113476320.00 { 22+, A2s+, KJs+, QJs, A2o+, KJo+, QJo }


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5,691,698,496 games 0.005 secs 1,138,339,699,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.133% 37.19% 01.94% 2116866984 110437614.00 { KJo }
Hand 1: 60.867% 58.93% 01.94% 3353956284 110437614.00 { 22+, A2s+, KJs+, A2o+, KJo+ }


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so if thats his range... then we are getting the right odds... right?

[Fjaman]

yep, and now we´re back to that we dont have enough info

[mcatdog]

I think villains range here is like 88+ AJ+

Why don't you like the raise preflop then? If villains aren't playing back at us without 88+ AJ+ then we can raise any two cards and print money.

[TAGurit]

i'm calling here. seems to me the right odds and it won't hurt you too badly if you lose the gamble.

[Fjaman]

I think villains range here is like 88+ AJ+

Why don't you like the raise preflop then? If villains aren't playing back at us without 88+ AJ+ then we can raise any two cards and print money.

Risking 180 to win 90 is that printing money?
+ your increasing your stack by a whooping 1.5%
No theres nothing to gain by raising with that hand in this stage of the tourney against a shortstack