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  1. #1

    Default check this flop?

    Its early so no reads.
    Flat is like zomg i have a massive hand, so shud i have checked the flop?
    the bet was kinda hoping he had ak.
    also preflop was okay?

    PokerStars Game #27880878023: Tournament #161443002, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/05/06 8:44:06 ET
    Table '161443002 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: lvka695 (1260 in chips)
    Seat 2: Pokercntral (1600 in chips)
    Seat 3: youi_b (1660 in chips)
    Seat 4: lovewining (1470 in chips)
    Seat 5: lNormaJean (1470 in chips)
    Seat 6: HenG74 (1480 in chips)
    Seat 7: mystyleDK (1380 in chips)
    Seat 8: bashman29 (1680 in chips)
    Seat 9: wojciechofsk (1500 in chips)
    HenG74: posts small blind 10
    mystyleDK: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to lNormaJean [Ah Qd]
    bashman29: folds
    wojciechofsk: raises 40 to 60
    lvka695: calls 60
    Pokercntral: calls 60
    youi_b: folds
    lovewining: folds
    lNormaJean: raises 220 to 280
    HenG74: folds
    mystyleDK: calls 260
    wojciechofsk: folds
    youi_b said, "hallo"
    lvka695: folds
    Pokercntral: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 8h Tc]
    mystyleDK: checks
    lNormaJean: bets 400
    mystyleDK: raises 700 to 1100 and is all-in
    lNormaJean: folds
    Uncalled bet (700) returned to mystyleDK
    lNormaJean said, "kk or aa?"
    mystyleDK collected 1550 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1550 | Rake 0
    Board [Qc 8h Tc]
    Seat 1: lvka695 folded before Flop
    Seat 2: Pokercntral folded before Flop
    Seat 3: youi_b folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: lovewining folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: lNormaJean (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: HenG74 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: mystyleDK (big blind) collected (1550)
    Seat 8: bashman29 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: wojciechofsk folded before Flop
  2. #2
    Why 3bet A-Q if you're gonna fold when you hit you're Q? If you think he has A-A or K-K then fold to initial raise.

    I agree this looks like A-A/K-K - so fold pre - but now you've there i can't see folding this.
    Normski
  3. #3
    it wasnt him that raised he flated the 3 bet.
  4. #4
    But the point remains you should have flatted the 60 raise.

    3betting AQs at level 1, where even doubling up doesn't do much for your prize pool equity, is just silly.
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  5. #5
    He showed initial strength and then was prepared to push his stack by the looks of things - so, AA or KK. For me I always question my own bet size in these situations - and I think you bet big enough to show you absolutely had a strong hand, then followed up with a strong continuation, so he must have known you caught a piece of the flop, and even if he thought you had TPTK - he still felt he had you beat, yeah, AA or KK.
  6. #6
    UM WAT...Totally calling this.

    $6.50 players will call off 20% of their stack preflop with an amazing array of crap. If you don't think they show up with KJ/AJ/AK/KQ/QJ or any two clubs here a lot, you're crazy.
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  7. #7
    Nice bluff on the flop, you just got unlucky that he flopped second pair and a gutshot with his JJ and decided to go with it.

    Oh wait you had AQ, call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucothefish
    But the point remains you should have flatted the 60 raise.

    3betting AQs at level 1, where even doubling up doesn't do much for your prize pool equity, is just silly.
    umm what?

    ?wut
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by WillburForce
    Why 3bet A-Q if you're gonna fold when you hit you're Q? If you think he has A-A or K-K then fold to initial raise.

    I agree this looks like A-A/K-K - so fold pre - but now you've there i can't see folding this.
    I agree. Why bother raising if you're not willing to get it in when you hit?
  10. #10
    Call, to many hands that the villain can have that you have crushed
  11. #11
    I think this is a pretty good range for villain.

    Board: Qc 8h Tc
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 48.019% 45.09% 02.93% 511959 33307.50 { TT+, 88, AQs+, AcJc, ATs, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, As7s, KJs+, KcTc, QTs+, J9s+, ATo+, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+ }
    Hand 1: 51.981% 49.05% 02.93% 556956 33307.50 { AQo }

    He probably has more flush draws than this; because of how aggressively you've played this, he has no choice but to shove over with flush draw + over(s) and hope you'll fold AK/JJ.

    Can't see how you would put someone on a range as absurdly tight as KK+ given the action; given the pot odds, easy call.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.

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