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  1. #1
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    Default Too much passive play for success in 180man turbo SNG $2.20?

    Never mind hand 5 which I played extremely poorly. However, I'd be interested in how someone else would have played it.

    I'm not doing well in these 180-man tourneys. I'm not getting enough cards and I'm not sure if that's the only problem or if there's more to it. It's hard see someone raise in front of you and then want to play your Q-J or J-8.

    I'd like to have a little success and I feel that I need to change up my game, maybe open it up more early. Any help here would be truly appreciated. This is typical of my play, I think, in these things. Tight early and then look for opportunities later. I'm not getting many opportunities for the most part and I'm not being aggressive enough to push the action with inferior hands.

    The Tournament Trimmer (v2.0) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com

    ---Tournament Summary---
    TSNG: Finished 28/180
    Data for 62 hands.
    You played 10 hands (16.13%)
    You raised 8 times preflop (12.90%)

    -----Hand 1-----
    Hero's M = 50.00
    PokerStars Game #27773055251: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/05/03 12:18:33 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: doubleAbobby (1500)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (1500)
    Seat 3: HAL7100 (1500)
    Seat 4: mimue1979 (1500)
    Seat 5: MrsMeliger (1500)
    Seat 6: Meteor594 (1500)
    Seat 7: Kulkurat IV (1500)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (1500)
    Seat 9: Hero (1500)
    Karls1: posts small blind 10
    HAL7100: posts big blind 20
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero A 4
    mimue1979: folds
    MrsMeliger: folds
    Meteor594: calls 20
    Kulkurat IV: folds
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: calls 20
    doubleAbobby: folds
    Karls1: folds
    HAL7100: checks
    Flop: T 4 K
    HAL7100: checks
    Meteor594: checks
    Hero: bets 80
    HAL7100: folds
    Meteor594: calls 80
    Turn: A
    Meteor594: checks
    Hero: bets 200
    Meteor594: calls 200
    River: 5
    Meteor594: checks
    Hero: bets 400
    Meteor594: calls 400
    Showdown
    Hero: shows A 4 (two pair, Aces and Fours)
    Hero collected 1430
    Meteor594: mucked A 9

    Q J MP (Hero's M = 74.33; f+c+f+f+F+f+f+c+s+s+s+s+b+r+f+c+b+r+c)
    9 6 MP2 (Hero's M = 74.33; r+f+F+f+f+f+c+c+s+s+b+f+c+s+b+c+s+s)

    -----Hand 2-----
    Hero's M = 74.33
    PokerStars Game #27773177692: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/05/03 12:22:32 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: doubleAbobby (1500)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (1490)
    Seat 4: mimue1979 (3000)
    Seat 5: MrsMeliger (1400)
    Seat 6: Meteor594 (260)
    Seat 7: Kulkurat IV (2120)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (1500)
    Seat 9: Hero (2230)
    Meteor594: posts small blind 10
    Kulkurat IV: posts big blind 20
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero 6 5
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: calls 20
    doubleAbobby: folds
    Karls1: folds
    mimue1979: calls 20
    MrsMeliger: calls 20
    Meteor594: calls 10
    Kulkurat IV: checks
    Flop: 6 K T
    Meteor594: checks
    Kulkurat IV: checks
    Hero: checks
    mimue1979: checks
    MrsMeliger: checks
    Turn: 2
    Meteor594: checks
    Kulkurat IV: checks
    Hero: checks
    mimue1979: checks
    MrsMeliger: bets 80
    Meteor594: folds
    Kulkurat IV: folds
    Hero: folds
    mimue1979: calls 80
    River: T
    mimue1979: bets 160
    MrsMeliger: folds
    Uncalled bet (160) returned to mimue1979
    mimue1979 collected 260

    6 5 UTG (Hero's M = 49.11; F+f+f+f+f+[/color]c+f+c+s+s+s+s+s+b+r+f+c+s+b+c)
    8 Q BB (Hero's M = 49.11; f+f+c+c+c+c+c+S+s+S+s+b+f+f+f+F+f)
    4 J SB (Hero's M = 48.44; f+f+c+c+c+r+f+F+f+c+f+c+s+s+b+f+c)
    7 5 Button (Hero's M = 48.11; f+c+f+f+f+f+F+c+s+s+s+b+f+f)

    -----Hand 3-----
    Hero's M = 48.11
    PokerStars Game #27773352871: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/03 12:28:13 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: doubleAbobby (1440)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (1460)
    Seat 3: daisyyy13 (1510)
    Seat 4: mimue1979 (3220)
    Seat 5: efkulas200 (1355)
    Seat 6: Meteor594 (645)
    Seat 7: Kulkurat IV (1830)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2800)
    Seat 9: Hero (2165)
    Karls1: posts small blind 15
    daisyyy13: posts big blind 30
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero A A
    mimue1979: calls 30
    efkulas200: folds
    Meteor594: folds
    Kulkurat IV: calls 30
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: raises 150 to 180
    doubleAbobby: folds
    Karls1: calls 165
    daisyyy13: folds
    mimue1979: calls 150
    Kulkurat IV: folds
    Flop: T 8 3
    Karls1: checks
    mimue1979: checks
    Hero: bets 510
    Karls1: folds
    mimue1979: folds
    Uncalled bet (510) returned to Hero
    Hero collected 600

    2 6 MP (Hero's M = 34.47; f+f+f+f+F+r+f+f+f)
    Q 3 MP2 (Hero's M = 34.47; f+r+f+F+f+r+f+f+f+c)
    3 Q UTG+2 (Hero's M = 34.47; f+f+F+f+f+f+c+c+s+s+s+s+s+s+s+s+s+s)
    Q 3 UTG+1 (Hero's M = 34.47; f+F+r+f+f+f+f+f+f)
    5 A UTG (Hero's M = 34.47; F+f+f+[/color]c+c+c+c+f+s+s+s+b+f+f+f+f)
    9 K BB (Hero's M = 34.47; r+c+f+f+f+r+f+F+r+f)
    6 8 SB (Hero's M = 16.90; f+f+f+c+c+f+F+s+s+s+s+b+f+c+b+f)
    Q 9 Button (Hero's M = 16.57; r+f+r+f+f+F+f+r+c)
    5 3 MP (Hero's M = 16.57; f+f+f+F+c+f+f+s+s+b+r+f)
    7 T MP2 (Hero's M = 16.57; f+f+F+f+f+f+r+f)
    7 5 UTG+2 (Hero's M = 16.57; f+f+F+f+f+f+f+c+s+s+s+b+f)
    A 4 UTG+1 (Hero's M = 16.57; f+F+f+f+c+f+c+c+s+b+f+f+f)
    8 5 UTG (Hero's M = 11.04; F+[/color]c+f+c+f+f+c+f+s+s+b+f+f+f)
    T 3 BB (Hero's M = 11.04; r+f+r+f+f+f+c+f+F+f)
    8 6 SB (Hero's M = 10.38; f+c+f+c+r+f+f+F+f+f+f)
    4 2 Button (Hero's M = 10.04; r+f+f+f+f+f+F+c+f)
    T K CO (Hero's M = 10.04; f+f+c+f+F+f+f+s+b+f)

    -----Hand 4-----
    Hero's M = 10.04
    PokerStars Game #27773812517: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/05/03 12:43:06 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Flexiplex (7070)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (3580)
    Seat 4: mimue1979 (2810)
    Seat 5: efkulas200 (955)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (6010)
    Seat 7: BryFa (2045)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2500)
    Seat 9: Hero (2260)
    mimue1979: posts small blind 75
    efkulas200: posts big blind 150
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero Q Q
    pokersatan77: raises 450 to 600
    BryFa: folds
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: calls 600
    Flexiplex: folds
    Karls1: folds
    mimue1979: folds
    efkulas200: folds
    Flop: Q J 6
    pokersatan77: bets 1050
    Hero: raises 610 to 1660 and is all-in
    pokersatan77: calls 610
    Turn: Q
    River: 7
    Showdown
    pokersatan77: shows J A (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
    Hero: shows Q Q (four of a kind, Queens)
    Hero collected 4745

    J 3 MP2 (Hero's M = 15.82; f+f+F+c+f+c+f+s+s+b+f+f)
    8 A UTG+1 (Hero's M = 15.82; f+F+f+f+f+f+r+f)
    2 J UTG (Hero's M = 15.82; F+f+f+[/color]c+c+f+f+s+s+s+s+b+f+f)
    4 6 BB (Hero's M = 15.82; f+f+f+f+f+r+f+f+F)

    -----Hand 5-----
    Hero's M = 15.15
    PokerStars Game #27773935939: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/05/03 12:46:58 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: Flexiplex (7570)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (3580)
    Seat 3: carrera888 (2030)
    Seat 4: jogabon01 (2076)
    Seat 5: efkulas200 (505)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (4050)
    Seat 7: BryFa (1745)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2900)
    Seat 9: Hero (4545)
    Hero: posts small blind 100
    Flexiplex: posts big blind 200
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero 6 Q
    Karls1: folds
    carrera888: folds
    jogabon01: folds
    efkulas200: folds
    pokersatan77: folds
    BryFa: folds
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: raises 400 to 600
    Flexiplex: raises 400 to 1000
    Hero: calls 400
    Flop: A K 5
    Hero: bets 1000
    Flexiplex: calls 1000
    Turn: Q
    Hero: checks
    Flexiplex: checks
    River: J
    Hero: bets 600
    Flexiplex: calls 600
    Showdown
    Hero: shows 6 Q (a pair of Queens)
    Flexiplex: shows T T (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    Flexiplex collected 5200

    8 5 Button (Hero's M = 6.48; f+f+f+f+f+f+F+c+s+s+b+f)
    7 Q CO (Hero's M = 6.48; c+f+f+f+f+F+c+f+s+s+s+b+f+f)
    5 3 CO (Hero's M = 5.19; f+f+f+f+F+r+f+f)
    3 5 MP (Hero's M = 5.12; f+f+f+F+f+r+c+c)

    -----Hand 6-----
    Hero's M = 5.05
    PokerStars Game #27774043780: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/05/03 12:50:19 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: exsapper (870)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (4205)
    Seat 3: carrera888 (79)
    Seat 4: jogabon01 (3807)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (4000)
    Seat 7: BryFa (1695)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2850)
    Seat 9: Hero (1895)
    pokersatan77: posts small blind 125
    BryFa: posts big blind 250
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero 9 A
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: raises 1620 to 1870 and is all-in
    exsapper: folds
    Karls1: folds
    carrera888: calls 54 and is all-in
    jogabon01: calls 1870
    pokersatan77: folds
    BryFa: folds
    Flop: T 2 A
    Turn: 9
    River: 2
    Showdown
    Hero: shows 9 A (two pair, Aces and Nines)
    jogabon01: shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
    Hero collected 3899
    carrera888: shows K T (two pair, Tens and Deuces)
    Hero collected 470

    -----Hand 7-----
    Hero's M = 11.65
    PokerStars Game #27774063122: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/05/03 12:50:55 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: exsapper (845)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (4180)
    Seat 4: jogabon01 (1912)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (3850)
    Seat 7: BryFa (1420)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2825)
    Seat 9: Hero (4369)
    BryFa: posts small blind 125
    Jim1983Pim: posts big blind 250
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero J A
    Hero: raises 500 to 750
    exsapper: folds
    Karls1: folds
    jogabon01: folds
    pokersatan77: folds
    BryFa: folds
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Uncalled bet (500) returned to Hero
    Hero collected 800

    -----Hand 8-----
    Hero's M = 13.05
    PokerStars Game #27774077131: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/05/03 12:51:21 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: exsapper (820)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (4155)
    Seat 4: jogabon01 (1887)
    Seat 5: Albatross77 (3880)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (3825)
    Seat 7: BryFa (1270)
    Seat 8: Jim1983Pim (2550)
    Seat 9: Hero (4894)
    Jim1983Pim: posts small blind 125
    Hero: posts big blind 250
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero K 8
    exsapper: calls 250
    Karls1: folds
    jogabon01: folds
    Albatross77: folds
    pokersatan77: folds
    BryFa: folds
    Jim1983Pim: folds
    Hero: raises 750 to 1000
    exsapper: calls 545 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (205) returned to Hero
    Flop: 5 Q K
    Turn: Q
    River: T
    Showdown
    Hero: shows K 8 (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    exsapper: shows K J (two pair, Kings and Queens - Jack kicker)
    exsapper collected 1915

    4 6 SB (Hero's M = 10.86; r+f+f+f+f+f+F+f)
    T 4 Button (Hero's M = 10.46; f+f+f+f+f+F+f)
    6 5 CO (Hero's M = 10.40; f+f+f+f+F+c+c+s+s+s+b+c+f+s+b+r+c)
    2 T CO (Hero's M = 8.61; r+r+f+F+f+f+f+c)
    K 6 MP2 (Hero's M = 8.55; f+f+F+f+r+r+f+f+c)
    6 T UTG+1 (Hero's M = 8.50; f+F+f+r+f+c+r+f+r+c)
    Q 7 UTG (Hero's M = 8.44; F+f+f+f+[/color]r+f+c+f)
    T 3 SB (Hero's M = 8.39; f+r+f+f+f+f+F+c+s+b+f)
    8 3 Button (Hero's M = 8.00; f+f+r+f+f+F+f+f)
    J 4 CO (Hero's M = 5.96; f+r+f+f+F+f+f+f)
    T 7 MP (Hero's M = 5.87; r+f+f+F+f+f+f+f)
    8 A MP2 (Hero's M = 5.79; f+f+F+f+r+f+f+f)
    4 5 UTG+1 (Hero's M = 5.71; f+F+f+f+f+f+r+f)
    4 7 BB (Hero's M = 5.62; f+f+f+f+r+r+F+f)
    5 3 SB (Hero's M = 4.87; f+f+f+f+r+F+f)
    5 9 Button (Hero's M = 4.46; r+f+f+f+F+f+f)
    8 3 CO (Hero's M = 4.37; f+f+c+f+f+F+f+c+s+s+s+b+r+f+f)

    -----Hand 9-----
    Hero's M = 2.86
    PokerStars Game #27774499596: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/05/03 13:04:18 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: DrJWattson (10365)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (8870)
    Seat 3: ggeniusjc101 (6808)
    Seat 4: maaske51 (4145)
    Seat 5: Albatross77 (5990)
    Seat 6: pokersatan77 (5385)
    Seat 7: Kenneth@Joel (11385)
    Seat 9: Hero (2574)
    ggeniusjc101: posts small blind 300
    maaske51: posts big blind 600
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero J J
    Albatross77: folds
    pokersatan77: folds
    Kenneth@Joel: folds
    Hero: raises 1924 to 2524 and is all-in
    DrJWattson: folds
    Karls1: folds
    ggeniusjc101: folds
    maaske51: folds
    Uncalled bet (1924) returned to Hero
    Hero collected 1900

    5 8 MP2 (Hero's M = 4.25; c+f+F+f+f+f+f+s+s+b+r+c)
    7 8 UTG (Hero's M = 4.19; F+[/color]r+f+f+r+f+f+r+c)
    Q 8 BB (Hero's M = 4.14; f+f+f+f+r+f+F)
    J 9 SB (Hero's M = 3.42; f+f+f+r+f+F+f)

    -----Hand 10-----
    Hero's M = 3.03
    PokerStars Game #27774615896: Tournament #160691650, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/05/03 13:07:44 ET
    Table '160691650 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: DrJWattson (6420)
    Seat 2: Karls1 (8620)
    Seat 3: ggeniusjc101 (6258)
    Seat 4: maaske51 (7340)
    Seat 5: Albatross77 (13925)
    Seat 7: Kenneth@Joel (10235)
    Seat 9: Hero (2724)
    DrJWattson: posts small blind 300
    Karls1: posts big blind 600
    Preflop
    Dealt to Hero A Q
    ggeniusjc101: folds
    maaske51: raises 600 to 1200
    Albatross77: folds
    Kenneth@Joel: folds
    Hero: raises 1474 to 2674 and is all-in
    DrJWattson: folds
    Karls1: folds
    maaske51: calls 1474
    Flop: 2 T 4
    Turn: 3
    River: 5
    Showdown
    maaske51: shows 6 6 (a straight, Deuce to Six)
    Hero: shows A Q (a straight, Ace to Five)
    maaske51 collected 6598
  2. #2
    Hand 1: Taking a stab at the flop is fine.

    Hand 2: Fold pre.

    Hand 3: Good

    KhTs: You folded this, but these are spots that you might be able to shove over limpers when you are in lp and have a <10M stack. If you shoved this hand it would probably be marginal, but you should look for these spots.

    Hand 4: Just shove it in pre. I hope that you were willing to go all the way regardless of the flop.

    Hand 5: Read dependant to even raise him. Def. fold to the reraise. Yeah, you’re getting odds to call but I don’t think that you have a stack to do so. Conserve your chips.

    8s5d: Might be a close shove.

    Hand 6: Fine

    Hand 7: I might raise to just 2.5. Some could argue a shove.

    Hand 8: Standard

    Ah8s: This is a close shove.

    Hand 9: Standard

    Hand 10: standard

    For the most part you need to work on your shoving ranges when 10M or less. Look for spots to shove over limpers when you’re in lp. Also, shove on 10bb stacks with almost any two. Other than this, this just looks like variance. Hard to tell on some of the hands that you folded but they looked like you might have been able to shove a couple.
  3. #3
    Ty I learned some good info from this.

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