push or fold / neverending story

[Lance]

Stg wiz wanna push again. Hard to adjust.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.40 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 50 Ante (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1440)
Hero (UTG) (t2570)
Button (t8010)
SB (t2980)

Hero's M: 2.34

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 9
Hero ?

[Aplomado]

Yes, push. You're only 4xBB with the blind coming next hand.

[taipan168]

You also need to adjust the ranges that your opps will push or call with if you fold. Scroll down the SNG Wiz screen below the table and you'll see the possible actions if you fold.

[mcatdog]

I wouldn't even bother adjusting ranges. This is horrible even if the Button and SB call you with as tight of a range as 88+, AQ+, and it only gets worse as you make their ranges more realistic. You have a short stack in the BB who's pot committed to call with any two cards and you're shoving a hand that's worse than 50-50 against a random hand?

Just fold and let someone else take him out.

[Lance]

25,170,868,800 games 0.031 secs 811,963,509,677 games/sec

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.097% 46.07% 02.03% 11595799440 510641574.00 { 98o }
Hand 1: 51.903% 49.87% 02.03% 12553786212 510641574.00 { random }

[Poker Orifice]

I wouldn't even bother adjusting ranges. This is horrible even if the Button and SB call you with as tight of a range as 88+, AQ+, and it only gets worse as you make their ranges more realistic. You have a short stack in the BB who's pot committed to call with any two cards and you're shoving a hand that's worse than 50-50 against a random hand?

Just fold and let someone else take him out.

Yup... What he just said.
BB is pot committed to call here with any two to your shove.
I say FOLD.

[vlmcs]

I would fold

[Raoni_Poker]

I would fold, but who am I to argue with StngoWiz?
However, it seems to me that BB will shove anyway. If he gets the blinds, you're the shortie...so...I understand the shoving option (you would have some fold equity...little, but some).


Need to get SGwiz.

[Poker Orifice]

I would fold, but who am I to argue with StngoWiz?
However, it seems to me that BB will shove anyway. If he gets the blinds, you're the shortie...so...I understand the shoving option (you would have some fold equity...little, but some).


Need to get SGwiz.

Curious?? How do we have fold equity when BB is getting more than proper odds to call with any two and is pot committed after putting in his bb? He can't 'fold' here so how does this give us any fold equity?

[Raoni_Poker]

i was talking about the times the BB wrongly would fold. It depends on the type of player and his range (its a 3$ SG).

However, as I said, this fold equitiy is limited and i would also fold.

[AngelBoy]

Must fold) As for me...))

[Raoni_Poker]

I wonder why SNG Wiz recommend to push here...

Someone has any thougths on that? Its only about calling ranges or some other variable here can make pushing profitable?

??? whats this??

[ChroNus]

i would say fold ..

[surviva316]

i fold.

yeah the blinds are hitting us next but we're 50/50 for getting dealt a better hand next and we will get to see how every body acts before we go. at a $3 SnG almost EVERYBODY is too tight in these situations and there's a good chance that you can be in a bvb with T5 next hand

[taipan168]

i fold.

yeah the blinds are hitting us next but we're 50/50 for getting dealt a better hand next and we will get to see how every body acts before we go. at a $3 SnG almost EVERYBODY is too tight in these situations and there's a good chance that you can be in a bvb with T5 next hand

I agree with the fold for the reasons that mcatdog said, but what you said does not make sense. If players are too tight in this situation (ie. BB will fold when he should call due to pot odds) then you should shove.

[bjsaust]

SnGWiz is only as good as the info you give it to calculate with.

[surviva316]

[quote="taipan168"]
I agree with the fold for the reasons that mcatdog said, but what you said does not make sense. If players are too tight in this situation (ie. BB will fold when he should call due to pot odds) then you should shove.[/quote

well calling a shove range and making a shove range are really whacky at these buyins. i might even say that calling a shove is a lot of times wider than making a shove themselves on the bubble (or at least against opponents like us who frustrate them by shoving a lot when we get below 10bb's).

i'm saying i'd rather get an opportunity to make a decision on my hand in REACTION to them (because they're waiting for a PP or a decent A too often in these situations), and make an easy shove with a 98-esque hand if it comes down to bvb and make an easy fold with a likely 98-esque hand to a shove.

the point is, as mcatdog pointed out, they're calling too wide if we shove 98 and shoving tight enough INTO our ATC BB hand to make it profitable to wait and see