Is this still standard with the action in this hand (100nl)

[bjsaust]

SB is 23/20 with fairly high flop aggression.
BB is 39/12 whos fishy but not terrible.
CO is 20/13 who attacks weakness but no real reads beyond that.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($151.55)
Hero (Button) ($126.75)
SB ($101.15)
BB ($177.65)
UTG ($98.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 10
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4) 7, 8, 9 (4 players)
SB bets $4, BB raises $8, MP calls $8, Hero raises $35, 1 fold, BB calls $27, MP raises $140, Hero calls $90.75 (All-In)

[meeloche]

I hate preflop.

just call on the flop you've never getting it in as a favorite so just try and hit and not have the board pair.

[bjsaust]

Hmm, I thought PF was fairly close either way. Hate seems strong, it surely cant be that bad to see a flop cheaply IP multiway with 9Ts?

[meeloche]

Ok well it's not bad I'd just prefer to pound on somebody who wants to limp oop. I think there's more value running somebody over whos playing this way at 100nl cause he has such a defined range when he does this and its much easier to exploit with a raise. He's not going to be balancing or even playing well when he does this. So just pound away until he gets frustrated and spews off the rest of his stack.

[bjsaust]

Yeah, I can see that. I've never really incorporated that kind of thing into my play, I guess I should start trying to.

[bigspenda73]

I wouldn't use hate for PF, I'd use really really hate

[mcatdog]

Hmm, I thought PF was fairly close either way. Hate seems strong, it surely cant be that bad to see a flop cheaply IP multiway with 9Ts?

It's not bad in the sense of being -EV, it's bad because raising is much much better. If you had AA then seeing a cheap flop would be +EV too.

If you're not pounding on bad players' limps in position then you're doing it wrong.

I'd call the flop too.

[bjsaust]

It was the first time this session he'd limped, and he's not like a mega-fish or anything, just probably limps a few too many hands he should raise if he's going to play.


Question on calling flop. One reason I dont like it, is its hard to say which cards actually help me. Other than hitting my SF, am I happy if a spade hits? If a non-spade 6 hits? I probably have the best hand if a J hits, but could well just be splitting. Do I go into b/f mode if I hit a non-nut out?