Busting Deep in Tournys

[kingscott90]

So i've busted 3 stright times in top 25 of fields of 1000+ players on big tournys:

i've been to several FT's before so im not too new to it but in the past 3 i keep seeming to just fuck up.

Is this play correct:
table is playing pretty tight, blinds 2500/5000 with antes. i have about half the advrage of 110k i have about 60k, pick up 910 hearts in mid postion, have only plyaed 10 percent or so of my hands and i push, AK calls and beats me. Is this the correct play or can i afford to wait even longer because i think times running out.

BTW this was in the 50k 50+5 tourny.

any advice also much appriacted

[drmcboy]

it's fine although this should be about the bottom of your shove range

[chardrian]

you can't win big field tourneys without winning races/sucking out.

[golfguy37]

Suited connecters have best odds against multiple opponents, when facing just one opponent (by shoving all in), chances are you beat. I would have waited for a better suited conector, an ace, paint, or a pair.

[Sprayed]

So i've busted 3 stright times in top 25 of fields of 1000+ players on big tournys:

This is standard. Suited connectors are great for shoving when around 10bbs or below.

[linaker]

T9s is a good hand to see a cheap flop with, but its showdown value is not so high. Its only 54% to beat a random hand and only in the top 40% of hands ranked by showdown value. So within the next 10 hands, on average, you should see 3 hands that will have greater equity if you shove them.

On the other hand the table is tight and you have played tight, so if this is your first shove, you have a ton of fold equity. In these circumstances an AI with T9s was +EV and it was unlucky that there was a premium hand behind you.

With that amount of chips, you were not desperate. I think I would have either raised 3BB, as the table was tight, as a blind steal or folded.

[mcatdog]

T9s is a good hand to see a cheap flop with, but its showdown value is not so high. Its only 54% to beat a random hand and only in the top 40% of hands ranked by showdown value. So within the next 10 hands, on average, you should see 3 hands that will have greater equity if you shove them.

What does this even mean? You're not getting called by "a random hand" so your equity against a random hand has nothing to do with anything. T9s is easily in the top 15% of hands in terms of how it performs against the hands that will actually call your shove.

[sinister1]

you can't win big field tourneys without winning races/sucking out.

QFT

[linaker]

T9s is a good hand to see a cheap flop with, but its showdown value is not so high. Its only 54% to beat a random hand and only in the top 40% of hands ranked by showdown value. So within the next 10 hands, on average, you should see 3 hands that will have greater equity if you shove them.

What does this even mean? You're not getting called by "a random hand" so your equity against a random hand has nothing to do with anything. T9s is easily in the top 15% of hands in terms of how it performs against the hands that will actually call your shove.

It means that in all in heads up confrontations, the value of the cards is more important than suitedness or connectedness. T9s is behind any PP > 66, A, K, Q or J. So, if you shove T9s and get called then you are playing catch up. My point was that if you shove this hand then you are hoping not to get called.

[kingscott90]

Thanks for all the advice guys, and yah the 910s would be pretty much the bottom of my shoving range, any other advice would be great also thanks thow guys

[mcatdog]

It means that in all in heads up confrontations, the value of the cards is more important than suitedness or connectedness. T9s is behind any PP > 66, A, K, Q or J.

So are you saying that you'd rather shove Q2o than T9s here?

[linaker]

It means that in all in heads up confrontations, the value of the cards is more important than suitedness or connectedness. T9s is behind any PP > 66, A, K, Q or J.

So are you saying that you'd rather shove Q2o than T9s here?

No Q2o has less "showdown value" than T9s and is more likely to be dominated by hands that would call.

[revolvingiris]

Doesn't this push seem a little too aggro? Obviously you have to best suck outs etc to win but with an M of 8ish cant you afford to not push this? Your goal should always be to accumulate chips but risking 60k to win a total 70k assuming everyone folds seems a bit loose considering you have half the table to act behind you...Who knows, maybe I'm missing a ton of value.