Do we EVERRRR fold KK PF? (preposterous hand history inside)

[surviva316]

ok lots of reads to get through here, although they're all after just 20 or so hands:
UTG (original PFR) is 44/36 LAgg fish, so we can sneeze at his 3xBB
mp (original PFR flatter) is fourteen/fourteen (which isn't even possible since this stat is after he flatted but whatever
mp2 (original 3bettor) is 66.7/20 mega fish (but he's still 3betting)
mp3 (original 3bet flatter) is 32/6.5 and finally
SB is 23/twelve

again this isn't over many hands and half these players are fish but how often should i expect NOT to see aces in a 6-way 3bet pot?


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2+0.25 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1430)
Hero (BB) (t1230)
UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t2610)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t2140)
MP3 (t5610)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1320)

Hero's M: 27.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
UTG bets t60, 1 fold, MP1 calls t60, MP2 raises to t240, MP3 calls t240, 2 folds, SB calls t225, [color=#CC3333]Hero ?

i'll give the totally lollable results after i get some responses

[OP]

At this blind level in a $2.25, if you folded i will fuking murder a geriatric

[CBAT]

I hope Hero pushed.

[baudib]

Super fistpump shove.

[mcatdog]

You can definitely fold KK preflop but it's not something I'd ever consider doing until you get a lot more experienced. I've folded them once this year (and was right). At a $2 tournament I probably wouldn't ever fold TT preflop let alone KK.

[surviva316]

don't worry, everybody, i pushed without letting a tick go off the clock. i wasn't expecting to still be in the tourney after i did it, though, and thought it was worth asking about.

since there seems to be no debate here, lol, i'll just go ahead and tell you what happened. I pushed, two of the fish and the (what i thought) tight player all called. the two fish turned over 55 and TT and the tight player turned over...KJo. needless to say i made it deep in the tourney

[baudib]

Exactly the types of hands I'd expect from the preflop action, maybe even a little better. I don't know why anyone would suspect AA in there.

[chardrian]

no.

[poker3player333]

Shove it, noone came over top big, especially in a $2 sng on tilt

[ademege]

I hope Hero pushed.

[dafu]

Personally I don't fold a pair of kings until I see the flop. But there are times when you can regret not folding a pair of kings: somebody has pocket rockets (aces). Then again you can make a set on the flop.

[surviva316]

Personally I don't fold a pair of kings until I see the flop. But there are times when you can regret not folding a pair of kings: somebody has pocket rockets (aces). Then again you can make a set on the flop.

and for my 250th post, i'm gonna say thanks for the advice to this guy.

[golfguy37]

I would never fold KK preflop. THerese too many hands that it dominates.

[Luco]

In donkaments, I'd rather set my pubes alight than fold KK pre.

There has only been one occasion in cash games that i've ever folded KK pre - a super nit limped utg, 3bet then 5bet me, and then showed their aces when I folded.

[revolvingiris]

no.

x2

[dafu]

Personally I don't fold a pair of kings until I see the flop. But there are times when you can regret not folding a pair of kings: somebody has pocket rockets (aces). Then again you can make a set on the flop.

Pokerstars $33 Main Event Qualifier.
40K 15 till $650 money. Some guy pushed A-rag and I called KK my gut told me to fold. I lost 15 K. 10 till money I have 21k from blinds and antes. I pushed KK and lost to suited A3 from big blind had me covered by 1k... out of tournament from KK. If I folded KK the first time I wouldn't feel desperate enough to push KK here.

[dafu]

I could have just raised 3 to 4 x BB but I thought nobody that had A-rag would call. I was fairly sure that everybody would fold unless they had a pp or AK. I was praying that he wouldn't hit any aces but it came on the turn and the river.