Badly played two-pair? $1 SNG 2nd hand into it

[thejesusfish]

PokerStars Game #28604924672: Tournament #166577541, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/05/25 18:57:56 WET [2009/05/25 13:57:56 ET]
Table '166577541 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DIMICH06 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Buttons7998 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: fcunion61 (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: thejesusfish (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: JimboJim711 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: akjak (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Ripple59 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: juanezz (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Chris7647 (1530 in chips)
fcunion61: posts small blind 10
thejesusfish: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thejesusfish [8s 9c]
JimboJim711: folds
akjak: calls 20
Ripple59: calls 20
juanezz: folds
Chris7647: calls 20
DIMICH06: calls 20
Buttons7998: folds
fcunion61: calls 10
thejesusfish: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9h 8c]
fcunion61: checks
thejesusfish: bets 80
akjak: raises 80 to 160
Ripple59: folds
Chris7647: folds
DIMICH06: folds
fcunion61: folds
thejesusfish: calls 80
*** TURN *** [Ad 9h 8c] [3s]
thejesusfish: bets 80
akjak: raises 80 to 160
thejesusfish: calls 80
*** RIVER *** [Ad 9h 8c 3s] [5c]
thejesusfish: bets 80
akjak: raises 1080 to 1160 and is all-in
thejesusfish: folds
Uncalled bet (1080) returned to akjak
akjak collected 920 from pot
akjak: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 920 | Rake 0


Should i have played stronger on the flop? and this was the second hand into the SNG so i had no idea what the guy could have. Im thinking it couldve been Ace with high kicker but would he have raised so much with that?

[Lance]

Of course ! You should strongly reraise him on the flop and tend to go all in.
If the opponent has A9 or 88, it happens, but most of time you are against AK, AQ, AJ, AT and 73% favorite to win this pot.

[taipan168]

I would bet out a bit more on the flop, say 100-120. Bottom two pair is a strong but vulnerable hand because your hand could be counterfeited if the turn and river pair, and there are other cards you won't want to see on the turn if your flop bet is called (A, J, T). As played, after opp minraises I would re-raise big to say 500 or so rather than just flat calling.

On the turn, I don't understand your silly little bet. There are 440 chips in the pot, why bet less than 20% of the pot? If you believe your hand is still best (which I would) then you want to get more chips into the pot. After opp raises, again I would re-raise.

The same goes for the river. There are 760 chips in the pot at this point, why bet only 1/10 the pot? As played, I CALL the shove rather than folding, there are plenty of hands that opp had that he would play the same that you beat (mainly non two pair Ax, maybe even non-set pocket pairs).

[Projectp]

If i flop a 2 pair, i always bet it hard, i feel like it is a vulerable hand. Especially in a $1 tourny where guys love to play A rag, you dont want them to hit a better 2 pair on the turn.

[baudib]

The most important thing to take out of this thread is to never make bets like this with any type of hand:

*** TURN *** [Ad 9h 8c] [3s]
Pot: 440
thejesusfish: bets 80

[TLR]

Interesting hand, and I think it was badly played.

Flop: I would bet close to the size of the pot, once you got raised it makes the hand pretty interesting, villian limped from EP and it is a multiway pot, I dont think he is likely to have a hand like AK/AQ. I think the most likely hand is something like JT, QT, T7 trying to pick up the pot or get a cheap turn+river card. Other ptions are A with a weak kicker or he has you beat,and practically drawing dead.
I would reraise the flop again.

As everyone else said, dont bet so little on the turn and river, and as played call the push on the river

[thejesusfish]

Ok, thanks for the advice everyone, im not really sure why i put such a low bet on the river and tbh i wasnt looking at the size of the pot. The main reason why i didnt call in on the river was because i didnt want to go out of the SNG on the second hand, but somehow in the end i finished first and got $4.50.

Ill try another sng now and ill post any hands i think i played badly or played well and try to improve.

Also is it easy to keep building your bankroll ONLY playing SNGs? or should i play some cash games in with it aswell?

Thanks again!

[thejesusfish]

OK, so this one is the very first hand and im dealt JJ, am i just playing way too passively? I mean up against two people who are betting big amounts i just thought 'if i dont hit the flop ill fold'.

debzaw: posts small blind 10
Kamikatz3: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thejesusfish [Jc Jd]
hodsenplods: calls 20
DrMig666: raises 80 to 100
AlegDjkrja: folds
Fritsmeister: folds
thejesusfish: calls 100
EUG123: folds
debzaw: folds
Kamikatz3: folds
hodsenplods: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [8s 2c 7d]
hodsenplods: bets 300
DrMig666: calls 300
thejesusfish: folds
*** TURN *** [8s 2c 7d] [5c]
hodsenplods: bets 500
DrMig666: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [8s 2c 7d 5c] [Qc]
hodsenplods: bets 600 and is all-in
DrMig666: calls 600 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hodsenplods: shows [Ah 7s] (a pair of Sevens)
DrMig666: shows [9c 9s] (a pair of Nines)



and then i try to play aggressively with AKs and get almost wiped out:


debzaw: posts small blind 10
Kamikatz3: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thejesusfish [Ks As]
DrMig666: calls 20
AlegDjkrja: folds
Fritsmeister: folds
thejesusfish: calls 20
JonjoYearl: folds
EUG123: folds
debzaw: calls 10
Kamikatz3: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ts 3d]
debzaw: checks
Kamikatz3: checks
DrMig666: bets 60
thejesusfish: raises 80 to 140
debzaw: folds
Kamikatz3: folds
DrMig666: raises 160 to 300
thejesusfish: calls 160
*** TURN *** [Kc Ts 3d] [6d]
JonjoYearl has returned
DrMig666: bets 400
thejesusfish: raises 400 to 800
DrMig666: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ts 3d 6d] [4c]
DrMig666: checks
thejesusfish: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrMig666: shows [Kh Tc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
thejesusfish: shows [Ks As] (a pair of Kings)
DrMig666 collected 2280 from pot

[TLR]

Hand1: I would push over the flop, it is a great flop for you, and the fact that the original raiser did not reraise flop is a good indication he does not have AA/KK/QQ
Hand2: Raise preflop. I would push over his reraise

In the future please post seperate hands in separate threads, otherwise the discussion gets relatively hard to follow

[Luco]

...then i try to play aggressively with AKs and get almost wiped out:

Dealt to thejesusfish [Ks As]
thejesusfish: calls 20

There's your problem. You've nailed a monster pf hand and then limped it in.