QQ early in 180 man sng

[buddha]

this is pretty early on and i don't have any reads on anyone. How could i have played this hand to either win it or minimize the losses?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 (t2410)
Hero (CO) (t1380)
Button (t1610)
SB (t340)
BB (t1530)
UTG (t1460)
UTG+1 (t1270)
MP1 (t1450)
MP2 (t4460)

Hero's M: 46.00

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 bets t80, 2 folds, Hero raises to t240, 4 folds, MP1 calls t160

Flop: (t530) 3, 8, A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t320, MP1 calls t320

Turn: (t1170) 5 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (t1170) 3 (2 players)
MP1 bets t300, Hero folds

Total pot: t1170

[golfguy37]

I wouldn't bet the flop. He probably has an ace unless he has a lower pocket pair. Most of hte time he has an ace though so it would be check/fold unless he bets a very small amount you can try to make trips.

[Fielmann]

No way is he guaranteed to have an ace. If he has an ace, why does he only check/call the flop?

I think checking behind on flop would have been better. You have a hand of doubtful value and you have position, so you can play slowly and for pot control. This is exactly the "minimizing losses" you're asking for.

On river you're getting pot odds of 1:5. You only need to be ahead 17% of the time to break even chip-wise. If you call and lose, you're down to 500 chips, granted, but I would still call. His line just looks too much like a pocket pair.

[baudib]

I would probably check this flop back with most of my range -- I'd bet as a bluff with KQ/77-99 and 33/88, check back everything else, including AK/AQ.

As played, I really think the river is a fold, he has a weak ace a huge percentage of the time, but it's close given the pot odds.

[drmcboy]

I'd bet like 225 on the flop, and then if he made the same % size bet on the river with this action i'd call.

[Im_new]

I'd bet like 225 on the flop, and then if he made the same % size bet on the river with this action i'd call.

+1

[sinister1]

I'd bet like 225 on the flop, and then if he made the same % size bet on the river with this action i'd call.

I am not sure I understand the logic behind betting this flop can you please explain?

Do you cbet close to 100% in 3bet pots? Betting seems like it folds out all the hands we beat, and gets called by those we don't. I like to check behind because villain likely bets close to his entire range on the turn and we flat. Then the river goes check/check a lot and we get some value from 99-JJ/random stuff, whereas we probably miss that value by cbetting.

[buddha]

i usually c-bet the flop when im the aggressor pre-flop but i don't play very many pots that was probably the 3 hand i had played, it seems pretty successful for me at the lower lvl sngs i've been playing lately and the board looked pretty uncoordinated and by betting the only thing he would call with would be an ace and i would either win the hand there or check and fold if him bets after that

[mcatdog]

by betting the only thing he would call with would be an ace

So you bet to get him to fold all worse hands and call with all better hands? You're supposed to do the opposite of that.

[drmcboy]

I'd bet like 225 on the flop, and then if he made the same % size bet on the river with this action i'd call.

I am not sure I understand the logic behind betting this flop can you please explain?

Do you cbet close to 100% in 3bet pots? Betting seems like it folds out all the hands we beat, and gets called by those we don't. I like to check behind because villain likely bets close to his entire range on the turn and we flat. Then the river goes check/check a lot and we get some value from 99-JJ/random stuff, whereas we probably miss that value by cbetting.

I think 99-JJ will call 225. If not, I doubt they will bet the turn. Our line seems super scary to me.

I don't mind checking either, my point was more that betting less on this flop is > than betting more.

[buddha]

ok i see what yall r saying thanks for the input

[buddha]

ok, here is an almost identical situation im in a sng 1+.10 on stars

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.20 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1320)
MP2 (t1480)
CO (t1360)
Button (t2060)
SB (t1140)
BB (t1760)
Hero (UTG) (t1480)
UTG+1 (t2900)

Hero's M: 49.33

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets t100, 1 fold, MP1 calls t100, 5 folds

Flop: (t230) 5, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t120, Hero????

are you suggesting that i just dump it here or how would yall play this? is the the first 10 hands of the tourny by the way so no idea how anyone is playing.

[drmcboy]

It's a lot different since there was no 3 bet, both your ranges are a lot wider. In hand 1 I think it looks weird not to bet after 3 betting pre, here imo checking makes a lot of worse hands feel good.

I would see a turn and usually give up there unless he bets small.