FlopAset on wet board $5 STT

[lNormajean]

PokerStars Game #29734558335: Tournament #174328505, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/06/24 20:00:57 CET [2009/06/24 14:00:57 ET]
Table '174328505 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Samarita (2065 in chips)
Seat 2: tomsibbert (957 in chips)
Seat 3: thing93001 (1425 in chips)
Seat 4: bugsbunnies (257 in chips)
Seat 5: lNormaJean (1565 in chips)
Seat 6: Larry_Croft (1200 in chips)
Seat 7: Tom Jazzy (1505 in chips)
Seat 8: D.Svenskas (3021 in chips)
Seat 9: Sir Bob Orr (1505 in chips)
Tom Jazzy: posts small blind 15
D.Svenskas: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lNormaJean [Th Ts]
Sir Bob Orr: folds
Samarita: folds
tomsibbert: calls 30
thing93001: folds
bugsbunnies: folds
lNormaJean: raises 80 to 110
Larry_Croft: folds
Tom Jazzy: folds
D.Svenskas: calls 80
tomsibbert: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Qd Td Js]
D.Svenskas: checks
tomsibbert: checks
lNormaJean: ?????????????

BB could have anything saw him call a 3 bet with k9s earlier and ended up sucking out JJ which is why he has his stack.
Limper has leaked alot seein flops, never showdowned.
Im pretty sure im meant to bet here, any idea on how much?

[Wolle]

Bet pot and let them pay for their draws. Flop is too wet to bet anything less, imho.

[baudib]

Bet and it you get a chance to reshove this flop, fistpump.

[surviva316]

Bet and it you get a chance to reshove this flop, fistpump.

This. I literally think this is the best flop you could've possibly seen in the entire world. there are some turns you don't want to see so you wanna get it in as fast as possible

[Bradley]

I'd overbet the pot a little with ~400-450, I'm thinking at least one of them have connected and your read is loose/passive. So bet for value. If you pick the pot up here, great, if they are drawing make 'em pay.

My reason for overbetting is that the pot will be about 1.2k (if one of them calls) which is then about equal to the size of your stack on the turn, easy shove. And still get fold equity from weak flushdraws(people at low limits chase flushes like crazy so I sometimes overbet while I'm ahead)
And people who call 3bets with K9o usually can't lay down top pair good kicker either so betting big = +EV imo.

[surviva316]

I'd overbet the pot a little with ~400-450, I'm thinking at least one of them have connected and your read is loose/passive. So bet for value. If you pick the pot up here, great, if they are drawing make 'em pay.

My reason for overbetting is that the pot will be about 1.2k (if one of them calls) which is then about equal to the size of your stack on the turn, easy shove. And still get fold equity from weak flushdraws(people at low limits chase flushes like crazy so I sometimes overbet while I'm ahead)
And people who call 3bets with K9o usually can't lay down top pair good kicker either so betting big = +EV imo.

imo, this one's a smart cookie for an FTR newbie.

[taipan168]

I agree with the others, I am betting at least pot size here. Never ever check and risk giving a free card on this board.

[TLR]

I think i would bet pot, there is compelling logic to overbetting, however you dont want to scare away the draws, you want to give them incorrect odds to call, and hope they make the mistake and call.

[GatorJH]

Overbetting the pot also sets yourself up for a crying call for most or all of your chips if the flop gets ugly. I like a pot sized bet here.

[Bradley]

imo, this one's a smart cookie for an FTR newbie.

Haha thnx I'm really trying to get better and reading and discussing things like this should improve my play

Overbetting the pot also sets yourself up for a crying call for most or all of your chips if the flop gets ugly. I like a pot sized bet here.

Fair enough, but what do you mean "if the flop gets ugly" the flop is displayed there :P

But what's your plan on the turn, if a scarecard comes up.

Let's say you bet pot (345$) the pot is now 690$ assuming we get one caller.
Eff stack size is about 1300$, now the Ad shows up on the turn. What do you do if villain leads out, fold? And when they check do you check behind and give a free card? Or do you bet pot again and commit yourself to the pot anyways. Or can you bet/fold if you are raised/shoved into?

To be honest, vs opps like these I really don't see myself laying down a set pretty often anyways, that's why I just try to get as much money in ASAP to ship it on the turn. I see your logic though.. hmm tricky spot

[GatorJH]

I meant turn. sorry