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    Default 6.50$ SnG: AQ facing limp/call + flatcall on flop

    6$+0.50$ Buy In, 2 tables, 18 players on Stars
    First blind level

    No stat reads on villain as it was like the 2nd or 3rd hand, not sure but very early in the SnG. No history either.
    I did use Sharkscope though, and villain was a consistent winner over 11k games with a profit of about 10k USD, so he obviously knows what he's doing.


    No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($1500)
    UTG+1 ($1600)
    MP1 ($1390)
    MP2 ($1470)
    Hero (MP3) ($1530)
    CO ($1490)
    Button ($1510)
    SB ($1510)
    BB ($1500)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with ,
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $20, 2 folds, Hero bets $80, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $60

    Flop: ($190) , , (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $150, UTG+1 calls $150

    Turn: ($490) (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $225, UTG+1 calls $225

    River: ($940) (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero ?

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    Villain limped from UTG+1 then called my 4x BB bet from Mid position. A decent player limp/calling there usually means a pocket pair or high sc's(most likely pp).
    Hitted TPTK on a rainbow uncoördinated board so I just betted out 3/4 of the pot.
    I was actually expecting to pick up the pot here, but his flatcall made me worry a little bit.

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    QJ and QK probably wouldn't limp/call pre flop from UTG+1 , if he did he'd probably lead out on me, or c/r on the flop.
    Any overpair would have raised or 3bet preflop..
    If he'd have a hand like 99-TT he might float flop to try and pick up the pot on the turn if he thinks I missed, but he checked, I fired another (small) barrel and he just flats again.
    That left me with the scary flopped set.. why call a 3/4 potsized bet on the flop and a 2nd barrel, when there are no draws or whatsoever??


    Made a pretty weak bet on the turn, should I have bet more here? Or check turn?
    As played, do you check/check river or bet for value? I think the only hands that are calling us are hands that beat us.

    Again: Villain was a decent SnG player, to your average -30% ROI pokereconomy donater I'd obviously get it all in as soon as possible. Do we give villain credit here for a set and check turn, check/check river or fold river if opp bets out?
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    As played i feel like you have to check behind on the river. I think you get check raised most of the time here.
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    most people who have you beat would have check raised the turn, but if you bet anything you are pot committed so if you are going to bet you may was well open shove.

    However, I would probably check behind here because I don't think hands that beat you call a shove and if you throw out a value bet and get c/r'd you would be compelled to make a crying call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Projectp
    As played i feel like you have to check behind on the river. I think you get check raised most of the time here.
    +1
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    It's honestly not a threatening board if he called with a pocket pair or if he connected with the board at all. So if he's going to call two streets with 88/TT or 86 or something he'll probably call the river shove.

    I think checking behind river is OK though. Consider checking the flop or checking the turn after betting the flop as well. It widens the range with which he'll call two bets and he can fire on the turn with a lot of hands you beat. Also it saves you money when you are behind.

    But I'm not folding AQ on this board very often, if ever.
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    I'd make it 100 to go preflop to increase the chances of getting HU with the limper (or take it down preflop) but since you got HU that's not really the issue.

    Flop bet is fine. On the turn, against a winning player like this guy (according to the Sharkscope stats you posted), I'd check behind because I'm worried about the hands with which a winning player limp/calls preflop and then check/calls the flop. Because the board is very dry the risk of giving a free card is relatively low, and checking behind might induce a river bluff which you can call. Alternatively, if you check behind on the turn and opp checks the river, you can value bet.
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    Thanks guys!

    I did check behind on the river and he showed me 55.. I must've really looked weak haha. Or he just doesn't know how to play pp, I mean calling 2 streets in a raised pot with 3 overcards to his pp, seems just silly, or does it not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley
    Thanks guys!

    I did check behind on the river and he showed me 55.. I must've really looked weak haha. Or he just doesn't know how to play pp, I mean calling 2 streets in a raised pot with 3 overcards to his pp, seems just silly, or does it not?
    Nah you didn't look weak...it's a $6.50...some people can't lay down pocket pairs. NH

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