TPNK SB vs BB ($12/180)

[taipan168]

I think there are about 40 left in this 180 (pays top 18). I'm roughly 6th in chips here. Opp's stats were something like 23/13 up to this point.

What's your turn move after he calls my flop bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $11+$1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t8530)
CO (t2875)
Button (t4672)
Hero (SB) (t11361)
BB (t12041)
UTG (t6501)
UTG+1 (t4050)
MP1 (t4600)

Hero's M: 11.36

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, K
6 folds, Hero bets t1200, BB calls t800

Flop: (t2800) K, 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t1600, BB calls t1600

Turn: (t6000) 9 (2 players)
Hero ????

[baudib]

I would fire again because he's drawing. My guess is he has 76 or a gutshot with a weak ace, A3/A2, or A5/A4 for bottom/midpair.

[mcatdog]

Fold pre against most players. If he's so tight that preflop isn't a fold then you have to check the flop. As played I'd bet like 2400 and decide whether to call a shove based on timing and stuff.

[dontezuma]

What do you know about the villain? If he's a thinking player, you can lead the turn for 3000, which gives you a pot-sized river bet to get all in. He's not calling that without a made hand, TPGK or better, and depending on how aggro he is, you could check-call-lead or CRAI. It just depends on the read.

[dontezuma]

By the way, if he's a solid player, he'll probably 3-bet you with a decent hand preflop, so a cold-call of your raise is either with the intention of floating your cbet to take it away later, or an idiot just giving away chips. Depending on how he amassed his chip stack, you make the call as to what kind of player he is.

I often CC a SB 3x raise to float the flop and use my position to win the hand later. Most solid players lay down K3 in the SB against a competent BB, because the positional disadvantage is too significant to make up for the times you miss the flop or even hit TPNK and don't know what to do.

If I raise the BB and he defends, I always have a plan - I'm either going balls to the wall firing as many as 3 barrels on a dry/safe board or I'm giving up on the flop without so much as a cbet on flops that are dangerous.

[Im_new]

What do you know about the villain? If he's a thinking player, you can lead the turn for 3000, which gives you a pot-sized river bet to get all in. He's not calling that without a made hand, TPGK or better, and depending on how aggro he is, you could check-call-lead or CRAI. It just depends on the read.

...no. if he calls 3000 on the turn, we are not GAI on the river. You're right, the only time he'll call a river shove is when he beats us, thus we should not shove.


i tend to c/c flop. as played 2100-- think it over on the turn.

[dontezuma]

...no. if he calls 3000 on the turn, we are not GAI on the river. You're right, the only time he'll call a river shove is when he beats us, thus we should not shove.

i tend to c/c flop. as played 2100-- think it over on the turn.

Exactly my point - if we think he's a thinking player (or one that can read the information we're feeding him), we tell him by a 3000-chip bet that we are positioning to get it all in by the river without an overbet. If he calls, I'm done without help on the river (K or 3).

If we DON'T think he can read the story we're writing, I play small ball and try to get to showdown cheap. Throw out a blocking bet and see what he does. If it's not too obnoxiously small, he should read it as a value bet (which it is), and fold out A9-type hands and raise two-pair-type hands.