Fold?

[Im_new]

I'm on a friend's computer so I have no stats running. These players seem fairly standard. The open limper is sort of loose. What's our shoving range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 125/250 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t3335)
MP1 (t1650)
MP2 (t6587)
MP3 (t2275)
CO (t6160)
Hero (Button) (t1615)
SB (t1765)
BB (t5656)
UTG (t1795)

Hero's M: 2.69

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
3 folds, MP2 calls t250, MP3 bets t500, CO calls t500, Hero ????

[Sir Pawnalot]

I vote for shove.

[Im_new]

y?

what is the widest you're shoving?

[Sir Pawnalot]

You need more information about the other players and your own image.

The reason I like to shove here, is because I estimate your Fold Equity high. You need more information to estimate that, but in general our FE is high here.

What I am shoving very much depends on my read on the player who minraised the limper. It can be as tight as kk+ and as wide as 22+ QTs+.

Without information I shove or fold, but usually shove.

[Im_new]

It was my 4th hand here, so I don't really know these guys. MP2 had limped every hand. CO hadn't played anything. MP3 had shown down JJ, which he'd shoved PF with a short stack.

[drmcboy]

shove, I think ~66 is about right, AJ+, KQs. you end up in a flip pretty often and sometimes you are way ahead if it folds to CO. Or maybe AK vs AT vs 88 which with your chip stack you have to be cool with. if someone has bigger PPs at the table when your M is 2.5 it isn't your tournament.

[dontezuma]

I'm thinking the 8s are no good. MP3 will likely call, as will CO, and they're probably putting 3 or 4 overs for you to dodge, if they don't already have a PP. But it's absolutely push-fold, and with so few chips left, this is probably triple-up-or-load-up-another-tourney time.

[Im_new]

Is this one of those spot were we assess if we're better than the field? Are we passing up this potentially +EV spot for a better one a little later?

[drmcboy]

you have 6 BBs, unless people are playing tight, which is it clear they are not, your edge is in understanding it's gamble time. If you fold it's because you think your hand is beat, not to pick a better spot.

[Gobbatino]

With an M this low, barring some sort of uber nit early position raise, I'm all in, and happy I got such a good hand to do it with.

[Warpe]

Is this one of those spot were we assess if we're better than the field? Are we passing up this potentially +EV spot for a better one a little later?

This could be the best hand you see before the blinds hit you. I don't particularly like shoving into raisers but your M is so low it's a no-brainer aww-in for the potential triple up.

[drmcboy]

also don't forget there is a good chance MP will shove and you end up HU with a flip and lots of dead money, or that he has crap and you end up HU with CO

[revolvingiris]

I think you could fold this and wait for another spot. However, with this type of action in front of you I don't see why you would. A limp, minraise, and a CC are all pretty weak and its very likely you could get a call from an under-pair.

The only way I could ever see a fold is if MP3 was known to minraise monsters.

Im shoving here all day.

[fjuanl]

It worries me that MP3 is minraising over a limper with <10bbs, but its probably just another clueless fish

I guess I'd get it in with any pair, ~ATs ~AJo KQ

[baudib]

I'm only worried about MP3 really and he has overs or even a very occasional underpair often enough that we have to gamble here.

Let's make some reasonable assumptions:

1. Give MP3 a pretty tight range of 99+/AQ+ and he always reshoves
2. We assume MP2 and CO fold
3. MP2 and CO have, on average, 3 overcards between them (neither of them are folding bigger pairs, figure they each have A7-AT/QJ/98/KT/55-type hands).

We have rougly 38% equity for a chance to basically triple up.

If MP2 and MP3 both fold, CO probably calls with anything and we're doing well against his range.