100NL, KK on Ace flop in a 3 bet pot

[pokerfan]

two KK hands in one session. Should i really 4 bet vs these guys ?
hand 1: villian is a regular running 14/9/2.4 with 4% 3 bet.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($119.50)
Hero (CO) ($100)
Button ($114.80)
SB ($125.65)
BB ($102)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($109.35)
MP1 ($230.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero bets $6, 1 fold, SB raises $15, 3 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($33) 3, 2, A (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero ?

hand 2: villian is a nitty regular running 8/64 with 4% 3 bet.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($168.10)
Hero (MP1) ($101.50)
MP2 ($115.05)
MP3 ($151)
CO ($31)
Button ($80.80)
SB ($109.50)
BB ($81.90)
UTG ($96.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
2 folds, Hero bets $4, MP2 raises $12, 5 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($25.50) 2, 8, A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $13, Hero ?

why are we slowplaying vs. people who will get it in with AK/QQ here pf and who don't 3b light

[pokerfan]

why are we slowplaying vs. people who will get it in with AK/QQ here pf and who don't 3b light

FR nits often fold to 4 bet.

[BankItDrew]

I think both are OK if you fold. Depends on how bad you think they are.

I don't mind the slow play preflop either. Most of the time we will hit a nice flop and win a big pot.

[AFchung]

even against nits ill 4bet KK OOP since i hate having hand #2 happen. IP i'll flat against the nittiest of nits though

[badgers]

1st is ewww just 4bet as played you have to call one street since there aren't many combos of AK/AA and idk if he would bet them this big or if he would be Axs this big also. He can have air in his range cos this is probably a great spot to 3bet bluff especially if you are going to let him see a flop when you have the nuts.

2 i have no idea wat 8/64 means which makes it difficult. What do you run? Any history? If he is 8/6 this looks like a fold..

[Deanglow]

you should be getting it in fairly light in the first spot so 4bet pre.
2nd hand folding is just fine

[daven]

hand 1 4-bet pre.
hand 2 i like, and fold flop

[Miffed22001]

clearly your raise button is broken...

I dont get why you didnt auto 4bet both of these

[pokerfan]

clearly your raise button is broken...

I dont get why you didnt auto 4bet both of these

Deception value vs preflop nits. I agree hand 1 is 4 bet preflop in these aggressive spots.