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[Roco415]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3035)
UTG+1 (t4555)
MP1 (t2410)
MP2 (t5710)
MP3 (t2315)
CO (t3015)
Button (t2545)
SB (t4310)
Hero (BB) (t5350)

Hero's M: 71.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, J
6 folds, Button bets t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t550, Button raises to t2545 (All-In), Hero calls t1995

Flop: (t5115) 5, 3, K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t5115) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5115) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t5115


how else should i have played? 3bet less pre? fold pre? ship pre?

[Im_new]

simply put, yes.

[Im_new]

fold pre for me

[drmcboy]

it fine, I probably just take a flop. stats/reads are good

[Sprayed]

stats/reads are good

+1 This would help.

[Roco415]

no real reads early on...no HUd or anything, im just assuming my 3 bet was too much? should i have 3 bet less than folded or should i just take the flop?

[Sprayed]

Nah, the 3bet is fine. I typically make it around 4x when oop. My decision to call his 4bet or to even 3bet in the first place would be based on the reads that I had on him. Some reads would tell me to fold to his 4bet. But, more than likely early in a $11 tournament you are ahead in these spots. I would purchase a HUD program if I were you.

[chardrian]

I don't hate the 3 bet at all, but with no antes I think it is actually a fold to his jam. You are getting like 3:2 to call here which means you need 40% equity to call here, and I don't know if you have that.

[drmcboy]

in this spot & stack size I like it, if he happens to call you could shove the flop or bet like 850 depending on texture

[chardrian]

Am I missing something?

This is a 50 BB stack vs our 100 BB stack and we are happy to be getting it all in preflop w/AJo when there are no antes?

This scenario is a lot different from like a 20 BB stack when antes are involved or if we have a good read - but that's not where we are at here.

[drmcboy]

if he's any looser than ~5% we have the price.

do you play this tourney? I think you're giving average 30k player too much credit. Like I said, I would rather just take flop because I think he'll play worse there but I'm totally OK playing for his stack

[drmcboy]

also calling has to be better than 3 bet folding i think unless you just suck at poker. We could 3 bet fold J7s instead

[Roco415]

thanks a ton for the input, i guess your right, i think best wouldve been to just take a flop...

[KoRnholio]

if he's any looser than ~5% we have the price.

Not to split hairs, but he has to be looser than 8% to make calling correct (we're 39.5% against the top 8.3% of hands, 88+, AJ+, KTs+). With stacks this deep, I don't see many opponents 4bet shoving with AJo, KTs, 88 often enough to make up that extra 3% of hands.

The 3bet size is fine IMO, but I fold to the all in. I probably flat this most of the time without a read.

[drmcboy]

what is the goal of 3 bet folding? you think he folds better? I think with his stack size it's a perfect spot for him to shove all his PPs, and again a lot of those hands we outplay on the flop.

I'm never making a close fold assuming I have a better than +-5% range read BU vs BB

[Renton]

pretty easy flat call pre i would think

[Im_new]

shit, I just noticed that we were the BB. I was looking through this thread think wtf are you all thinking?! I take a flop. If he's loose, I like your 3bet/size. I don't know about calling the 4bet though...

[Sir Pawnalot]

3 betting here is strange. Versus an average players continuing range against 3 bets- our hand has little Equity.

Since when was AJ da nuts? Id rather just flat and hope to catch a flop, but often I fold here.

[Roco415]

something ive realized is i deifnitely tend to over shove over people and will rarely give them credit for hands, which i can easily work on, thanks for revealing the massive leak lol

[chardrian]

I am bad at multiquoting, but in response to the good dr:

I don't play this tourney anymore so I guess it is possible that the average player is 4 bet shoving AT- here so if that's the case, I stand corrected.

I also agree that my standard line is to flatcall pre.

I also agree that 3-bet/folding is turning our hand into a bluff against players who will only fold or shove in response to our 3-bet. But against bad players who will call and then fold to our c-bet postflop this play retains value.

[mr.duvall25]

i would have just called the raise on the flop then fold turn.... if there where antes u might wanna shove there.....