Stupid question

[The Izebox]

Okay stupid question, but im hoping to the get the answer that i want...Ive been grinding since june to get my roll up to nl 200 level, and today i took a crack at it and went from $3980 to $3390 in about 900 hands 8 tabling. I dont think i played bad, I lost 2 buy ins getting it in with the best of it and didnt really have much else to play. Weekends can be tough when you dont get cards with all the casual players.

So...

Should I take another crack at it tonight with 17 BIs? Or should I go back down to nl 100 and build back to 4k before I crack at it again?

[jyms]

When moving up I wouldn't play 8+ tables. Certainly some stakes it's smae ol' same ol'. $200NL is a bit of a jump, I would 4 table and get a feel until I find the difference in dynamic amongst the regs. Not a ton of 8tsbleing 6m players anymore. most have come to the conclusion that winrate is far better than the hourly rate you make with more tables. This has nothing to do with guys that are beating the stake for any period of time mind you.

[The Izebox]

Maybe I should 4 or 6 table...Im coming off a little break and I used to 8 table nl 200 but maybe I havent taken all the rust off yet.

But should I build back up ay nl 100 or should I try to take another crack at it with 3400?

[jyms]

You've been around before, you don't need us to tell you where you need to be with BR. This is about comfort, and are you comfortable losing another $500 possibly if your not back on your game, and are you comfortable enough to get it all back at $100NL in short order? how's your patience and what' the motivation. I don't think the 20-30 BI rule applies here.

[Galapogos]

I think 30 bi is generally good for shot taking. If you want to get aggressive with it that's cool, but if your next shot goes bad your be left what I consider to be a shot taking br for 100nl.

I'm a bit of a BR nit though.

[The Izebox]

Lol you know what guys, I know the answer is to go back to grinding at nl 100, I was hoping one of the regs here would tell me " you got it kid! 15 BIs is plenty!", but I know that answer

[meeloche]

you got it kid 15 bi is plenty

[meeloche]

Seriously though, I found that in the past the more buy ins I had for a level the better I played fwiw.

[Renton]

yeah winrates are too low now for 20bi to ever be a good idea, much less 17

yeah winrates are too low now for 20bi to ever be a good idea, much less 17

it depends on the player
I think there are a lot of midstakes regs that could earn 5ptbb/100 at 200NL, so if those people end up in BR trouble they wouldn't need more than 20BI

but also, I recommend 5 tabling or something because I personally play 5 tables

[Galapogos]

yeah winrates are too low now for 20bi to ever be a good idea, much less 17

it depends on the player
I think there are a lot of midstakes regs that could earn 5ptbb/100 at 200NL, so if those people end up in BR trouble they wouldn't need more than 20BI

I've lost 10 BI in flips in less than a half hour before easy. Having your 20 BI bankroll cut in half that fast would be pretty damn scary imo.

yeah winrates are too low now for 20bi to ever be a good idea, much less 17

it depends on the player
I think there are a lot of midstakes regs that could earn 5ptbb/100 at 200NL, so if those people end up in BR trouble they wouldn't need more than 20BI

I've lost 10 BI in flips in less than a half hour before easy. Having your 20 BI bankroll cut in half that fast would be pretty damn scary imo.

you move down at 15BI at any stake, move up when you make 40BI for this stake = 20 BI for next stake

[kmind]

You know what I would recommend. Not trying to be mean but I think you have some leaks that I'd fix at lower stakes.

[Galapogos]

yeah winrates are too low now for 20bi to ever be a good idea, much less 17

it depends on the player
I think there are a lot of midstakes regs that could earn 5ptbb/100 at 200NL, so if those people end up in BR trouble they wouldn't need more than 20BI

I've lost 10 BI in flips in less than a half hour before easy. Having your 20 BI bankroll cut in half that fast would be pretty damn scary imo.

you move down at 15BI at any stake, move up when you make 40BI for this stake = 20 BI for next stake

After the past few months I'm not feeling safe with less than 70 bi personally.

[The Izebox]

Thanks for the advice kmind

Well I listened to what you guys were telling me, played a thousand hands at nl 100 on megatilt and dropped 4buy in like nothing LOL. Theres nothing like a nice 1k+loss day, but im really glad that I tilted out at nl 100 and not nl 200. Well anyway, back to the grind, at nl 100, I still got 30 BIs for that level so hopefully in a week or two Ill be able to take another crack at nl 200.

[oskar]

I felt like I was shot taking at 200NL with 10k, and I dropped down again despite a winning session, because I didn't feel comfortable.

But I won't blame anyone who knows what he's doing to take a calculated risk for 1/4 of his BR to try and move up if that's important to you, and you feel confident enough that you can beat a higher level.

[kmind]

Don't even try that man. You are terrible. I tried to be nice but you won't accept it. I'm not scared to move up anymore for people just like you. I've come to realize that I am still bad but am a shit ton better than some...

You won't accept that I am trying to help you out but it's true.

[Kid Style]

Don't even try that man. You are terrible. I tried to be nice but you won't accept it. I'm not scared to move up anymore for people just like you. I've come to realize that I am still bad but am a shit ton better than some...

You won't accept that I am trying to help you out but it's true.

Did I miss a comment about someone telling you that you were bad....?

[kmind]

Yes.

[The Izebox]

youre a funny guy kmind. I dont know why you have such a problem with me, ill tell you i dont have one with you. As far as me being terrible, i just have to lol at that one. I guess i dont sound as poker cool guy with you, with your big poker words and whatnot, but there are two facts that cant be changed.

My winrate is +5big bets /100 for every limit I play and ive only made two deposits in my life, a 50 dollar one on partypoker in 2006 and a 600 one on 6/13/2009. Let me ask you, if im so bad, then why in less than a month am about to crack nl 200? Why do i win?

We all have leaks in our game, if we didnt we would all be making like 20bb/100. But youre that guy who always has to point them out to people like your some poker professor. Youre on the table complaining about bad plays because people failed to realize the genius of your game, and didnt know how the range that you were representing completely owned them. Youre so good you outplay yourself, with your terrific bluffs that get called and your hero folds that are the winning hand.

Im not the best player, i dont know fancy poker concepts, but im not a stuck up guy who likes to berate people in a public forum. Im a student of the game kid, and im learning and ill always be learning.

In fact, if you just ask nicely then maybe ill even show you how to win

[Alexos]

bling blang blaoooow

[kmind]

What? I'm sorry you just don't make sense but this is all I will have to say:

Just know my first post was meant to be sincerely nice and that you might want to look at some obvious leaks of yours. Of course we all have leaks and I can tell some of yours and I was trying to help. Congrats on winning. I win too. There isn't one way to win money at this game, but there are ways that are for sure less EV moves than others. That's all I was getting at. I like everyone here at FTR except a couple, and you aren't in that category. Honestly was trying to help.

[bjsaust]

I took 20 BI's up to 100nl and 30 for 200nl and would increase from there.

I missed this whole thread, maybe because of the title. Heres my answer to your original question:

You should already have a BRM plan, and that plan should include move down points as well as move up points. If you're below your move down point, then move down, if not its up to you. If on the other hand you dont have a BRM plan, or that plan doesnt include movedown points, then you have some pretty big issues you need to work out.

[The Izebox]

NP kmind, lets end the war .

[thebest22]

When moving up I wouldn't play 8+ tables. Certainly some stakes it's smae ol' same ol'. $200NL is a bit of a jump, I would 4 table and get a feel until I find the difference in dynamic amongst the regs. Not a ton of 8tsbleing 6m players anymore. most have come to the conclusion that winrate is far better than the hourly rate you make with more tables. This has nothing to do with guys that are beating the stake for any period of time mind you.

i would move back up and get you money back and try agian