standard or silly?

[Im_new]

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t4500)
UTG+1 (t306)
MP1 (t1550)
MP2 (t1222)
Hero (MP3) (t2850)
CO (t3270)
Button (t1417)
SB (t2750)
BB (t2030)

Hero's M: 19.00

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, 7
2 folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, Hero bets t500, 4 folds, MP1 calls t400, MP2 raises to t900, Hero raises to t2850 (All-In), MP1 calls t1050 (All-In), MP2 calls t322 (All-In)

[revolvingiris]

Id raise to 600-700ish as thats half of MP2 stack...You dont want to face 4 cards as they likely have more overs combined between the two villains.

I think once you raise you have to go with it.

[Extremophile]

lol. these guys love multiple all in's. I don't know how i will beat this level. One of the guys has J9s the other has Q8 and you will most probably lose it.

[Im_new]

lol. these guys love multiple all in's. I don't know how i will beat this level. One of the guys has J9s the other has Q8 and you will most probably lose it.

or ATs and AKo.

[fjuanl]

Depends on how aggro the players behind you are, but I think you can consider limping behind. Any iso doesn't have much fold equity vs $2 donks. You could shove pre

[Im_new]

Depends on how aggro the players behind you are, but I think you can consider limping behind. Any iso doesn't have much fold equity vs $2 donks. You could shove pre

shove for 28bbs pre?

[revolvingiris]

Depends on how aggro the players behind you are, but I think you can consider limping behind. Any iso doesn't have much fold equity vs $2 donks. You could shove pre

shove for 28bbs pre?

Your shoving a 14bb effective stack.

[Im_new]

Oh, I see.

[fjuanl]

nah its shoving 28bbs, theres people left to act that cover you. its probably a cEV shove, so you can consider it

[revolvingiris]

I stand corrected

Edit: I have been thinking about this hand a lot and the only conclusion I can come to is this. Sometimes your position and your hand strength forces you into a spot where you are pot commited but don't really want to be.

After MP2s min-raise;
1. Your not ahead here very often.
2. You cant call as its too much of your stack.
3. You cant fold as your invested and getting a good price.
4. Its spewy to shove as both MP1 and MP2 are going to call you. And per #1 your not ahead much of the time.

I guess take the best line you can think of. If it happens to be -ev so be it. On rare occasions they have to be made.

[drmcboy]

I would limp or fold and I would never raise if it was not AI. playing 77 3+way IP is not where you want to be with one bet left.

nice thing about a limp is someone may shove any PP or like A2 behind you


don't raise because you have a pair, raise (or don't) because it helps you. It's hard for me to come up with a spot where this raise puts you in a good position post flop. Also given MP2's stack size this action should not be surprising.

[Extremophile]

I wouldn't raise with 77 because these guys seldomly fold once they limp in. As in this situation one of them flatted 5bb raise which is more than half his stack Just call and see if you flop a set or a nice draw.

I don't know if it is +EV to put em all in. If we get called by both of them, we will most probably face at least 3 over cards. Even if one of them folds we are flipping in most cases. So, it seems like -EV to me.

[Sir Pawnalot]

silly

[revolvingiris]

FWIW I think a shove is just slightly -cEV.

Hero pot equity:
Hero shove, MP1 calls: 59%
Hero shove, MP2 calls: 64%
Hero shove, both call: 47%

[fjuanl]

its debatable what they're ranges are, but it seems close regardless

[geno9]

its a clear limp here...

[revolvingiris]

Haha this push is SSSOOO thin!

[Extremophile]

FWIW I think a shove is just slightly -cEV.

Hero pot equity:
Hero shove, MP1 calls: 59%
Hero shove, MP2 calls: 64%
Hero shove, both call: 47%

rev, can you explain how you get these values, if you don't mind? One of them should be enough for me. Also, how did you reach the conclusion that it is -EV?