Read dependent flop check raise..turn action??

[revolvingiris]

I wasnt using my HUD but villain was pretty lagg. I chose to check the flop because I didnt want to be faced with having to shove over his bet. He is pretty aggressive and got his chips by other players donking off to him. I know with complete certainty he never has a king here. His flop bet was too small and he doesnt value bet. However, I think due to his ego he might float the flop with an A.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t4398)
MP3 (t3690)
CO (t8961)
Button (t1750)
Hero (SB) (t3070)
BB (t18970)
UTG (t9974)
UTG+1 (t3250)
MP1 (t6594)

Hero's M: 9.75

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 9
7 folds, Hero calls t60, BB checks

Flop: (t375) 4, K, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t120, Hero raises to t480, BB calls t360

Turn: (t1335) A (2 players)
Hero ???

[mcatdog]

Check-fold and slap yourself in the face for raising the flop. Don't build big pots out of position vs. aggressive players when you have marginal made hands that can't stand much heat. Just check-call the flop next time.

I also think it's absurd to say that he never has a king here when he calls your check-raise. I'd say it's his most likely holding, with a nine (probably better than yours) not far behind, and a random ace way back in third place.

[revolvingiris]

My read on him was good enough that I knew he didnt have a king here. I agree that this is not the best situation to be in but none the less it doesnt scare me to be in it.

Given my read what would your turn action be. If I think Im ahead on the flop I should just call and give a free card knowing he has air?

[Extremophile]

How did you decide he didn't have a K but an A, or vice versa?

[revolvingiris]

Because he would have bet back with the king. He would have just called with a 9 but he raises 97,98,99,T9,J9 pf. The only thing he could have had was K9, Q9, or A9 but I strongly think A9 he would have bet back. K9 he could have had as well but this would have been the only time he had ever slow played. We were battling it out pretty much the whole tourney and he took half my stack by out flopping me.

[Extremophile]

Because he would have bet back with the king. He would have just called with a 9 but he raises 97,98,99,T9,J9 pf. The only thing he could have had was K9, Q9, or A9 but I strongly think A9 he would have bet back. K9 he could have had as well but this would have been the only time he had ever slow played. We were battling it out pretty much the whole tourney and he took half my stack by out flopping me.

Even if he has just X9, you are probably beaten here, your kicker is very weak. The only way you can take this pot down is the case he is bluffing. He called a check-raise, do you think he can call you with a draw or a pair of 4s? Calling from the small blind is often tricky and maybe he didn't want to raise with K2 kind of hand.

I check the flop, peel it once, and if he bets again I fold. We can't afford to lose chips just to bust him. We don't have that many chips.


EDIT: Why are you trying to outplay a certain player instead of playing you game and trying to accumulate chips in a solid way?

[revolvingiris]

EDIT: Why are you trying to outplay a certain player instead of playing you game and trying to accumulate chips in a solid way?

Because I suck? Out playing is a part of my game. I dont mind marginal spots as it increases my ability to play post flop. Which is something I am currently working on. The only real issue I have with this hand is that I am OOP. However, I am also working on balancing my everything. So, I would have played this the same way as if I had flopped a set or an over pair. Its not so much what I have but what he thinks I have and what his holding are against my range.

[Extremophile]

I suck at poker, too man. I think every attempt to improve should be good. Let's keep discussing.

Your move here is actually a bluff and I don't know what the fold equity at those stakes. Will you will be able to make this guy fold considering his agressive style and his big stack? I remember Dan Harrington writing about which people are best spots to bluff. People with big stacks are dangerous since they can bust you by calling down the river. Small stacks are dangerous because they are pot committed. So, the guys with average stacks are best spots to bluff since they don't want to get themselves into a miserable position from a relatively comfortable position.

Calling a checkraise isn't easy. I really don't know what this guy put you on. Probably he doesn't even think about it. How fast did he flat it ?

[fjuanl]

When you consider his range in the BB is any-two, having a pair of nines on a dry board is a pretty good hand, one where you shouldn't be afraid to check/call and let him continue to bluff. It really seems odd to want to value check/raise and stack off with 2nd pair weak kicker on a dry flop. Did you really think he was loose enough to 1) bet/call with 4x or ace high and 2) call a turn bet and river shove with it?

You made a lot of assumptions which I think are a little bit unrealistic, maybe post some hands that led to them? How do you really know that he never has Kx based on the flop bet? Did you see another spot blind-vs-blind where he bet large with a big pair on a dry board? You might have seen him bet large with top pair previously, but the situation might have been completely different (board texture, how big his top-pair was, whether it was a raised pot, etc)

[mcatdog]

Because he would have bet back with the king. He would have just called with a 9 but he raises 97,98,99,T9,J9 pf. The only thing he could have had was K9, Q9, or A9 but I strongly think A9 he would have bet back. K9 he could have had as well but this would have been the only time he had ever slow played. We were battling it out pretty much the whole tourney and he took half my stack by out flopping me.

You didn't really answer why you think he doesn't have a king, you just answered my question about why you assumed that, by making a whole bunch of more assumptions that aren't necessarily true either. People don't always play the same way.

[Fielmann]

I think you should fold or raise preflop. Giving away 2% of your stack to play OOP with a weak hand against an aggressive opponent can hardly be profitable.
As played, I don't really mind the flop check-raise. It's definitely a daring play, but it's often the best way to get the maximum value from an aggressive opponent if you think there's reasonable chance you have the best hand.
Turn is quite an ugly card. I think it's check-fold from there.

[revolvingiris]

Did you really think he was loose enough to 1) bet/call with 4x or ace high and 2) call a turn bet and river shove with it?

1) yes I do. But I would have been fine with taking down right here.
2) Idk if he would have called a turn or river shove but I dont think he would have continued to bet much unless he improved. He might have called a turn AI with A high.

I was going to post more HH but I cant seem to find the file at the moment. HEM does weird things for me.

You didn't really answer why you think he doesn't have a king, you just answered my question about why you assumed that, by making a whole bunch of more assumptions that aren't necessarily true either. People don't always play the same way.

Well then how do I answer? I told you my read was based on his bet size, position, pre-flop action, and style of aggression. I know that people dont always play the same way. So, should I disreguard all reads on specific hands because someone might play some exact hand differently?

Im also very confused because any read in poker is an assumption. How do you make reads without assuming things?

[mcatdog]

Well then how do I answer? I told you my read was based on his bet size, position, pre-flop action, and style of aggression. I know that people dont always play the same way. So, should I disreguard all reads on specific hands because someone might play some exact hand differently?

Im also very confused because any read in poker is an assumption. How do you make reads without assuming things?

You can't, the only reason I took issue with your post is because you said you were 100% certain he doesn't have a king. If you said you think he probably doesn't have one based on how he played some other hands, I wouldn't have responded like that. It's dangerous to trust your reads so much that you make fundamentally unsound plays because of them, like you did here.

[revolvingiris]

I suck at poker, too man. I think every attempt to improve should be good. Let's keep discussing.

Your move here is actually a bluff and I don't know what the fold equity at those stakes. Will you will be able to make this guy fold considering his agressive style and his big stack? I remember Dan Harrington writing about which people are best spots to bluff. People with big stacks are dangerous since they can bust you by calling down the river. Small stacks are dangerous because they are pot committed. So, the guys with average stacks are best spots to bluff since they don't want to get themselves into a miserable position from a relatively comfortable position.

Calling a checkraise isn't easy. I really don't know what this guy put you on. Probably he doesn't even think about it. How fast did he flat it ?

This spot isnt completly a bluff. I feel its semi for value as unless he improves on the turn I was able to extract more chips from him on the flop. He can be as aggressive with air all he wants If he does have A high on the flop. Then he has a 12% (or 24% if he has two overs) chance to improve and he obv isnt getting those odds to continue.

He timed for a few seconds and made the call.

[revolvingiris]

Well then how do I answer? I told you my read was based on his bet size, position, pre-flop action, and style of aggression. I know that people dont always play the same way. So, should I disreguard all reads on specific hands because someone might play some exact hand differently?

Im also very confused because any read in poker is an assumption. How do you make reads without assuming things?

You can't, the only reason I took issue with your post is because you said you were 100% certain he doesn't have a king. If you said you think he probably doesn't have one based on how he played some other hands, I wouldn't have responded like that. It's dangerous to trust your reads so much that you make fundamentally unsound plays because of them, like you did here.

Here is the whole HH. I looked at villains stats and they were 38.9/22/10 (VPIP/PFR/AGG). The whole reason why I posted this is because I was looking for insight with spots like this. My read was that I was ahead and I was looking to get it in.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t4398)
MP3 (t3690)
CO (t8961)
Button (t1750)
Hero (SB) (t3070)
BB (t18970)
UTG (t9974)
UTG+1 (t3250)
MP1 (t6594)

Hero's M: 9.75

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 9
7 folds, Hero calls t60, BB checks

Flop: (t375) 4, K, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t120, Hero raises to t480, BB calls t360

Turn: (t1335) A (2 players)
Hero bets t1100, BB raises to t2455, Hero calls t1355 (All-In)

River: (t6245) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t6245

Results:
Hero had 7, 9 (one pair, nines).
BB had A, 6 (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: BB won t6245

[dthorne04]

what in the holy hell@your turn line

[bikes]

what in the holy hell@your turn line

Obv can't win if you fold

[revolvingiris]

what in the holy hell@your turn line

Unfortunately, I felt like even though this turn cased my villain. I had to bet it out otherwise my flop action would be way to spew. Basically once I make this play on the flop with my stack I am never not betting the turn.

Edit: Would it be too spew to just check-raise shove the flop instead of betting pot?

[mcatdog]

Unfortunately, I felt like even though this turn cased my villain. I had to bet it out otherwise my flop action would be way to spew.

Why would that make your flop action be spew? What are you so afraid of happening if you check the turn?

[Micro2Macro]

it is ok to give up on the turn after check raising the flop

it is also ok to check call a 1 pair hand on the flop

it is also ok to fold pre, which is where this entire spew fest started.

[revolvingiris]

Is it really ok check-raising 16% of your stack and then check-folding?

btw this is not a situation I am in often. Which is why I am focusing on it so much.

[Micro2Macro]

No, not really the greatest, thus the decision to check/raise is somewhat bad unelss you expect him to fold alot (or call down worse?) I don't get whether you're expecting it to be for value or if you're trying to get him off a stronger hand. If he's loose/aggressive as you mentioned, I would be much more inclined to check/call or perhaps lead.

If anything leading or check/calling (depending on villains tendencies as to which) is >>> check/raising because when we check raise we're just bloating the pot oop with a hand that has moderate SD value and if you look closely you'll notice that if you lose a significant portion of your stack here your M will be heading towards disaster.

I actually would have folded preflop, though if I feel villain has very predictable postflop tendencies or is very tight I might opt for a raise - but likely not with the effective stacks as they are.

If your check/raise was in fact a positive expectation play and it failed, there's no sense in trying to chase that single handed loss on further streets by attempting to bluff away your stack.

[dthorne04]

Is it really ok check-raising 16% of your stack and then check-folding?

btw this is not a situation I am in often. Which is why I am focusing on it so much.

never play a hand like this again, for the love of god. it's nearly impossible for you to have played this worse. just bet the flop, or check call it. granted, taking the check call line will get you owned by good players, but i don't think we have to worry about it here.

[revolvingiris]

I just realised I have been looking at this hand completly wrong...and I also think I found a leak in my game.

I didnt know if the check-raise was for value or to get him to fold. The only way I could have gotten villain to fold was to check-shove. He wasnt folding for the amount I raise and I knew it then and now...

Its kind of dumb that I didnt think of it as a whole like this until now.

Thank you everyone for posting and lesson of the day: Plan your hand from pre!!!

[Fielmann]

Micro2Macro's and revolvingiris' last posts make it appear as if one must always know whether one is hoping to get worse hands to call (valuebet) or better hands to fold (bluff). As if it has to be one or the other. But this is not the case. Since opponent doesn't have one hand, but a range of hands, we can bet, simultaneously hoping to accomplish both goals.
(Obviously, this is not to say, that the c/r on flop was definitely correct.)

[revolvingiris]

Micro2Macro's and revolvingiris' last posts make it appear as if one must always know whether one is hoping to get worse hands to call (valuebet) or better hands to fold (bluff). As if it has to be one or the other. But this is not the case. Since opponent doesn't have one hand, but a range of hands, we can bet, simultaneously hoping to accomplish both goals.
(Obviously, this is not to say, that the c/r on flop was definitely correct.)

You should always have one goal in mind. That goal can change from street to street but you should never put out a bet not trying to asccomplish something.

The issue with the hand I posted was that I made a check-raise for value as I knew villian was going to call with basically anything. Which in the end is something I didnt want him to do so I needed to figure out a way to make him fold without showing any more cards.

From what I have learned in the past few months poker is much more than just ranges of hands and numbers. You also have to read peoples personalities to get a feel for how they play whatever ranges you put them on.

[dthorne04]

Do you really understand what you did wrong and why?

[dthorne04]

Micro2Macro's and revolvingiris' last posts make it appear as if one must always know whether one is hoping to get worse hands to call (valuebet) or better hands to fold (bluff). As if it has to be one or the other. But this is not the case. Since opponent doesn't have one hand, but a range of hands, we can bet, simultaneously hoping to accomplish both goals.
(Obviously, this is not to say, that the c/r on flop was definitely correct.)

i don't agree with this, at all. you should always have a plan during a hand, and you should always have a very good idea if not a complete idea of what the purpose of your bet is. every bet, every play you make should have a purpose. yes, people have a range of hands, but it's our goal to accurately figure out what their range of hands are so we can make the best plays possible. to say that we can accomplish both at the same time is incorrect. you need to know the purpose of your bet, whether it be for value or a bluff.

[revolvingiris]

Do you really understand what you did wrong and why?

Enlighten me if I am incorrect but my understanding of my incorrect play was that I spewed chips, basically. If I wanted to take the pot away like I did. Then I needed to set up the bluff and I obv didnt.

[dontezuma]

In my review, I am really uncomfortable flatting the SB with rags into a big stacked LAGgy BB. If I play this, I'm putting a 4X raise in and committing to the hand. 500 chips preflop, shoving the flop unless it's JKA and I have no hope whatsoever of being good. With second pair, it's a pretty good shove IF I'M EVEN IN THE HAND.

I don't think he calls the shove on the flop with Ax even if he flats the PFR. However, he's LAGgy, so he's probably 3-betting me AI anyway with A6, which is all the more reason not to have played the hand in the first place.

But, again, if you make it to the flop with 1000 chips in the middle and 2000 behind, I'm happy shoving, repping the K or better, and if he calls with A6, he's got a 3-outer to win, and if he hits, NH, GG, then try to play against him in any other forum you can, because he's a donk.

[dthorne04]

In my review, I am really uncomfortable flatting the SB with rags into a big stacked LAGgy BB. If I play this, I'm putting a 4X raise in and committing to the hand. 500 chips preflop, shoving the flop unless it's JKA and I have no hope whatsoever of being good. With second pair, it's a pretty good shove IF I'M EVEN IN THE HAND.

you're uncomfortable flatting the sb with rags into the big stacked lag, yet you feel it's a good idea to bloat the pot oop even moreso, making it even more likely that you spew postflop

faulty logic. i disagree with just about your entire post, dontezuma.

and iris, i'll make a coherent reply to your post, i think you're missing a few ideas, reread mcat's posts in the thread, he's pretty spot on. you really want to focus on not bloating pots oop with marginal hands, and especially with the effective stack sizes in said hand.

[Stacks]

Do you really understand what you did wrong and why?

Enlighten me if I am incorrect but my understanding of my incorrect play was that I spewed chips, basically. If I wanted to take the pot away like I did. Then I needed to set up the bluff and I obv didnt.

In my review, I am really uncomfortable flatting the SB with rags into a big stacked LAGgy BB. If I play this, I'm putting a 4X raise in and committing to the hand. 500 chips preflop, shoving the flop unless it's JKA and I have no hope whatsoever of being good. With second pair, it's a pretty good shove IF I'M EVEN IN THE HAND.

I don't think he calls the shove on the flop with Ax even if he flats the PFR. However, he's LAGgy, so he's probably 3-betting me AI anyway with A6, which is all the more reason not to have played the hand in the first place.

But, again, if you make it to the flop with 1000 chips in the middle and 2000 behind, I'm happy shoving, repping the K or better, and if he calls with A6, he's got a 3-outer to win, and if he hits, NH, GG, then try to play against him in any other forum you can, because he's a donk.

[dthorne04]

also, given villain's wide range, and the inability to devise a clear, and best plan of action, you'd be best to keep the pot small oop here. keeping the pot small oop is something you should do often in tournaments (and poker in general), as your postflop skill is probably weaker than your preflop skill, amongst other reasons.

[revolvingiris]

Lol stacks, I dont even know what that means.

dthorne: Thank you for spelling it out for me...and everyone else. Your last post brings up a general question I have.

What is strong post flop play? Surely it isnt just big hands always in position. Isnt balance as important in MTT play as cash (not using OP HH as frame of reference)?

[Micro2Macro]

so can we just fold pre or is calling standard? lol

[Stacks]

I was sad at those two comments.

(1) Balance is pretty overrated. The only time to really balance is against an individual who will pick up when your range isn't balanced, and even then it doesn't matter, unless he knows how and is willing to exploit your unbalanced range. Say you only 3bet the flop with the nuts. In this case, villain should raise your flop bets fairly often, as you then play your range in a very straight forward fashion, and he can fold to your flop 3bets gleefully (unless he has you beat) until you adjust. But the beauty of poker is he doesn't know what your hand is unless you get to showdown, and that means he still doesn't have complete information.

(2) You seem to be getting your thoguht process a bit missed in a few spots. Like you say that you feel you are ahead of villain's range. When you are referring to range, do you mean his flop betting range, or his range for calling your check/raise?

If you assume you are ahead of his flop betting range, then a call is +EV. As it is in this case, as his range is wide, and he is betting a wide range, so your has enough equity against his range to make a call +EV.

If you truly think he will call your flop check/raise, and stack off on reasonable turns with worse than your 97, then a flop check/raise is profitable. However, I think this is somewhat of a optimistic assumption. You are expecting him to bet/call, then stack off on future streets with less than 97. I mean, maybe he will because he called your flop c/r with A6, but I highly doubt he puts anymore money in on the turn without you being behind usually. In which case, a flop c/c is likely better because you can continue to get more money out of him when you are ahead by check/calling future streets.

Also, while you seemed iffy on whether you were doing this for value or as a bluff, a check/raise with this hand in this spot, really just screams spew. You likely don't get calls from worse enough, and why would you want to turn your hand into a bluff when the villain is betting a very wide range that you are ahead of and can profitably call?

[revolvingiris]

I was sad at those two comments.

(1) Balance is pretty overrated. The only time to really balance is against an individual who will pick up when your range isn't balanced, and even then it doesn't matter, unless he knows how and is willing to exploit your unbalanced range. Say you only 3bet the flop with the nuts. In this case, villain should raise your flop bets fairly often, as you then play your range in a very straight forward fashion, and he can fold to your flop 3bets gleefully (unless he has you beat) until you adjust. But the beauty of poker is he doesn't know what your hand is unless you get to showdown, and that means he still doesn't have complete information.

(2) You seem to be getting your thoguht process a bit missed in a few spots. Like you say that you feel you are ahead of villain's range. When you are referring to range, do you mean his flop betting range, or his range for calling your check/raise?

If you assume you are ahead of his flop betting range, then a call is +EV. As it is in this case, as his range is wide, and he is betting a wide range, so your has enough equity against his range to make a call +EV.

If you truly think he will call your flop check/raise, and stack off on reasonable turns with worse than your 97, then a flop check/raise is profitable. However, I think this is somewhat of a optimistic assumption. You are expecting him to bet/call, then stack off on future streets with less than 97. I mean, maybe he will because he called your flop c/r with A6, but I highly doubt he puts anymore money in on the turn without you being behind usually. In which case, a flop c/c is likely better because you can continue to get more money out of him when you are ahead by check/calling future streets.

Also, while you seemed iffy on whether you were doing this for value or as a bluff, a check/raise with this hand in this spot, really just screams spew. You likely don't get calls from worse enough, and why would you want to turn your hand into a bluff when the villain is betting a very wide range that you are ahead of and can profitably call?

Wow, thank you for posting this! With aggression always being hyped in poker. I forget sometimes that calling can be profitable. This is a leak I am currently working on but havent noticed quite as much until this post. Ill respond below with my current thought process.

1) I think balance is pretty important in MTTs as you get less oppertunities against villains than in cash games. If you have a looser image, more people are willing to call your AI's vs cash where people will call more bets. In MTTs I feel like you have less oppertunities to show your style so a raise from utg with 76s means more to your image in an MTT than in a cash game where its typical.

2) I was ahead of villains betting range on the flop but essentially I wanted him to fold to my check-raise. When he called my bet I figured the A hit his range pretty hard on the turn but fired anyways (stupidity?). I will admit that I was a little confused and still am when I reach new situations like this. I dont have a huge sample size so I am trying to benefit from every hand that I can.

TBO the main thing I was scared of and still am is letting people catch up to me. I would feel like I did something wrong if I check called down and I let villain spike an A to beat me.

[fjuanl]

very solid post stacks. this is why ftr is awesome

[Sprayed]

I was sad at those two comments.

(1) Balance is pretty overrated. The only time to really balance is against an individual who will pick up when your range isn't balanced, and even then it doesn't matter, unless he knows how and is willing to exploit your unbalanced range. Say you only 3bet the flop with the nuts. In this case, villain should raise your flop bets fairly often, as you then play your range in a very straight forward fashion, and he can fold to your flop 3bets gleefully (unless he has you beat) until you adjust. But the beauty of poker is he doesn't know what your hand is unless you get to showdown, and that means he still doesn't have complete information.

(2) You seem to be getting your thoguht process a bit missed in a few spots. Like you say that you feel you are ahead of villain's range. When you are referring to range, do you mean his flop betting range, or his range for calling your check/raise?

If you assume you are ahead of his flop betting range, then a call is +EV. As it is in this case, as his range is wide, and he is betting a wide range, so your has enough equity against his range to make a call +EV.

If you truly think he will call your flop check/raise, and stack off on reasonable turns with worse than your 97, then a flop check/raise is profitable. However, I think this is somewhat of a optimistic assumption. You are expecting him to bet/call, then stack off on future streets with less than 97. I mean, maybe he will because he called your flop c/r with A6, but I highly doubt he puts anymore money in on the turn without you being behind usually. In which case, a flop c/c is likely better because you can continue to get more money out of him when you are ahead by check/calling future streets.

Also, while you seemed iffy on whether you were doing this for value or as a bluff, a check/raise with this hand in this spot, really just screams spew. You likely don't get calls from worse enough, and why would you want to turn your hand into a bluff when the villain is betting a very wide range that you are ahead of and can profitably call?

awesome post stacks

2) I was ahead of villains betting range on the flop but essentially I wanted him to fold to my check-raise.

Do you still believe this or do you realize this is incorrect thinking? If you are ahead of bad guy's range, why would you want him to fold?

[revolvingiris]

Now I understand why it is flawed thinking. Today I will be adding this to my game plan. Although, it still makes me nervous that I'll be giving someone free cards but Im sure Ill be able to get it down.

[rewfie40]

1) I think balance is pretty important in MTTs as you get less oppertunities against villains than in cash games. If you have a looser image, more people are willing to call your AI's vs cash where people will call more bets. In MTTs I feel like you have less oppertunities to show your style so a raise from utg with 76s means more to your image in an MTT than in a cash game where its typical.

Balancing your ranges in mtts to me is way less important than in cash. You likely aren't going to be playing with the same people for too long of a time which means that playing your hands in a less than optimal way in order to balance your range is probably not a good idea. To add to that at lower stakes tournaments, most people aren't even going to understand what you are doing when you limp reraise utg with AA and then do it later with 72o. In order for people to even realize that you are balancing your range, multiple hands are going to have to go to showdown which is less likely to happen because of the short period of time that you are playing with the people at your table for. Balancing ranges is a meta game type thing and massive mtt fields are not the place to practicing meta game.

In short play your hands in the most optimal way because you need to get as many chips as you can. People are going to have to be observant enough and have to have played with you for a long period of time to understand what you are doing.

[Sprayed]

Looking back over this hand, I think that just folding pre is optimal. You have a stack that can't stand much heat and you know that this guy is laggy. 79o isn't worth open completing.

Also, don't be the guy donking off to him.

He is pretty aggressive and got his chips by other players donking off to him.

[revolvingiris]

lol I guess I tagged myself on this one