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  1. #1

    Default Top two with the family

    Only 200 hands with villain, something like 24/18 with a 3bet of only 3.5% over that sample.

    Anyone lead the flop?
    Call or raise now?

    $0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($98.13)
    CO ($46.30)
    BTN ($154.85)
    SB ($90.88)
    Hero (BB) ($108.72)

    Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BB
    UTG raises to $4, CO calls $4, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3.50, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($20, 5 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN bets $15, SB folds, $15 to Hero ($104.72)?
  2. #2
    Holy %$^&

    Because KK, JJ, TT are so unlikely as anyones holding i dont think we can find a fold anywhere in the hand. That being said I think whether to call or raise is very close. I'm thinking call?
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  3. #3
    Maybe lead? weird spot, not sure what to do. I don't really like c/r though.
  4. #4
    Folding for one bet would be silly, particularlly a button bet.

    Hope for a King, Jack or Spade or turn check-through.
  5. #5
    sick but we would be leading to fold to a raise, of course with leading we get people calling down but id say most would just give up when we fire turn.

    I think Id rather check the flop, vs button (who has a larger % chance of bluffing in his position) Ill call. Will prob call a blank turn then decide on river.
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  6. #6
    This board CRUSHES just about everyone's range and horribly whiffs our perceived range. Leading out is a WTF?!?!? bet that will get some weird reactions and put us to difficult decisions out of position with a difficult hand. I like the check.
  7. #7
    If we had AQ, should we be squeezing pre to the UTG open? I hate spots like this, because its SUCH an obvious squeeze spot that we'll get played back at, but AQ is such a marginal stack off to UTG's 4bet.

    I'd c/c down.
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    If we had AQ, should we be squeezing pre to the UTG open? I hate spots like this, because its SUCH an obvious squeeze spot that we'll get played back at, but AQ is such a marginal stack off to UTG's 4bet.
    Yeah I struggle with that too. Obviously it depends on whatever fourbetting we've seen him to in the past but I really don't know what the right move is.
  9. #9
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    I usually just call with AQ. This used to be my default play with AQ, but I mix it up and 3b it sometimes.

    It's good to 3b/fold AQ vs. unknowns because you're getting value from everything worse and unknowns won't 4b bluff you unless they're maniacs. So actually squeeze/folding might be the best play vs. a table of unknowns that have no idea whether you're a reg or whatnot and won't play back to a squeeze.
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    lead flop fold to raise (probably)

    otherwise c/c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    This board CRUSHES just about everyone's range and horribly whiffs our perceived range. Leading out is a WTF?!?!? bet that will get some weird reactions and put us to difficult decisions out of position with a difficult hand. I like the check.
    how would it ever be tough? Only better hand will raise flop, and tons of worse will call down for several streets.
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    also i think AQ is a pretty feasible hand for us, i don't understand why you would make a practically committing squeeze vs an utg 4x open and 3 callers.

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