AQ in BB, facing an early raise and call- ITM $12 180

[jdubs]

PokerStars Game #32295282860: Tournament #191711550, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2009/08/31 18:34:49 PT [2009/08/31 21:34:49 ET]
Table '191711550 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: RedRaider322 (14984 in chips)
Seat 2: johncoltrane (11820 in chips)
Seat 3: DinDinh78 (13374 in chips)
Seat 4: MOOSE6807 (28328 in chips)
Seat 5: mlody030189 (6898 in chips)
Seat 6: wynnkid (29726 in chips)
Seat 7: sliger27 (9385 in chips)
Seat 8: Robbbbb25 (10430 in chips)
RedRaider322: posts the ante 150
johncoltrane: posts the ante 150
DinDinh78: posts the ante 150
MOOSE6807: posts the ante 150
mlody030189: posts the ante 150
wynnkid: posts the ante 150
sliger27: posts the ante 150
Robbbbb25: posts the ante 150
RedRaider322: posts small blind 800
johncoltrane: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to johncoltrane [Qs Ah]
DinDinh78: folds
MOOSE6807: raises 8000 to 9600
mlody030189: folds
wynnkid: folds
sliger27: folds
Robbbbb25: folds
RedRaider322: calls 8800
johncoltrane: ????

[drmcboy]

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reads? if you have no reads at the FT, play less tables or get a HUD already.

Knowing nothing I would gamble, it's hard to believe you are going to be worse than 2/1 to win. stove is still running but it looks like you have OK price vs top 15 and top 10. We should probably subtract some for the payout, but having a 30k stack has a lot of edge going forward so call that a push.

if these guys have been tight/and or you are sure you can steal a lot after this hand you could talk me into folding.

if the guys to your left are loose I would def get it in here.

[jdubs]

http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

reads? if you have no reads at the FT, play less tables or get a HUD already.

Knowing nothing I would gamble, it's hard to believe you are going to be worse than 2/1 to win. stove is still running but it looks like you have OK price vs top 15 and top 10. We should probably subtract some for the payout, but having a 30k stack has a lot of edge going forward so call that a push.

if these guys have been tight/and or you are sure you can steal a lot after this hand you could talk me into folding.



if the guys to your left are loose I would def get it in here.

honestly, neither player had been very active, but I had been moved just a few hands ( like 3-4) before to this table- so reads aren't very reliable in this case

This hand is really annoying me. With 7 bb I feel that I can fold and still have room to steal. It's the call from red that worries me- wtf is he calling a 6 bb raise with here? Not to mention, what is raiser raising 6 bb with here ( TT, JJ, AQ, AK are all very possible, QQ+ possible too , but IDK if he raises these 6bb very often?) I just think there's a real good chance I am crushed here- but, look at all those chips in the pot, if we win we have a 30K + stack and are cruising into FT likely, as you suggest. ... I hadnt seen either player be active in the previous 4 hands or so, if that makes any difference.....

[Roco415]

pretty sure i fold i think...just doesnt seem like a good spot to me...if i had 88/99 here, i insta ship...i feel like AK is so heavily weighted in eithers range here

[jdubs]

ugghhhhhh this hand is so damn annoying!

[drmcboy]

srry I read ITM as FT, i forgive you for no reads.

ugghhhhhh this hand is so damn annoying!

I would not worry much about it, either way it can't be a huge mistake.

FWIW I would say the raiser has QQ+ like never, but the caller could have anything.

[jdubs]

thanks drmc, It is interesting to note that across 4 forums, there is 0 consensus on how to play this hand. Some very respected players/posters are on both sides here ( both saying definitely fold, or def. shove)

[revolvingiris]

Well its pretty range dependent. I would personally fold this as if either player has a pair, the other prob has blockers to your outs.

[baudib]

There are plenty of situations to agonize over with AQ but I don't think this is one of them...you're so short it hardly matters either way as drmcboy says.