Unlucky? or just plain stupid play?

[chewbaka]

27-man SNG; 5 places paid; Hero 3rd in chips. Would you raise PF? Would you call that flop push?


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 500/1000 Blinds (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t12930)
BB (t7255)
UTG (t3550)
MP1 (t4600)
MP2 (t3330)
CO (t1750)
Hero (Button) (t7085)

Hero's M: 4.72

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, A
4 folds, Hero bets t3000, 1 fold, BB calls t2000

Flop: (t6500) J, 4, J (2 players)
BB bets t4255 (All-In), Hero calls t4085 (All-In)

Turn: (t14670) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t14670) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t14670

[Extremophile]

I think this is a clear fold preflop. There 4 other candidates to blind out before us. This is a push or fold situation but shoving preflop is not +EV in this case, considering the stack sizes of SB and BB. On the flop, I am disgusted about our preflop raise and fold. Also, we can't call if one these guys go all in preflop.

[drmcboy]

push or fold pre, unless they are gambling I would shove. As played you have to call, I would actually be glad he shoved since you would think he would check any kind of a hand to you.

[revolvingiris]

Yeah shove this pf...any time you have 10bb or less your only options are shove or fold pf.

[fjuanl]

Interesting spot with stack sizes that short. I thought it might be close. But after putting in my guess for SB and BB's calling ranges, it looks to be an any-two spot. SB has a big lead on the field and wont want to drop down. BB also has a decent shot to cash despite having 7BBs. I guessed that the blinds call with top 7% (88+ ATs+ AJo+). Its a really read dependent spot however...if they both call with around 15% (33+ A4s+ A8o+ KTs+), you need to fold

side note: away from the final table, this will ALWAYS be a correct shove. yes, i said it

[revolvingiris]

uh oh...fjuanl using the A word!