deal with high 3 bet fish...

[wordtothewise]

I have seen this 57/17/2.0 3 bet 18 percent build a stack from regs calling his min 3 bets oop and getting into a world of hurt on turn and rivers with TPTK. His 3 bet range is so vastly wide. I feel like my choices are to fold or 4 bet? I am not too concerned if I have to pitch this hand to a 5 bet. Thoughts?


$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
4 Players


Stacks:
CO ($29.05)
BTN ($31.35)
Hero ($51.60)
BB ($206.80)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $5

Flop: ($16, 2 players)
Hero ($43.6)?

[jessyj]

You don't have to fold to his 3b when he makes it so small so your decision here should be call/4bet. Once you 4bet and see this flop I like just betting and getting it in. If he calls I'm not sure what to do but I likely push and pray.

[wordtothewise]

Jessy, that is the deal. I am going to call sure and play this shit hand oop to a wide range aggressive player. I am not sure I want to stack when an ace hits etc. So, this is why I felt a call was 3rd in line.

[wordtothewise]

Stacks:
CO ($29.05)
BTN ($31.35)
Hero ($51.60)
BB ($206.80)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $3, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $5

Flop: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $9, BB raises to $22, $13 to Hero ($34.6)?

WTF is he saying he has 3x. I believe would play a boat trappy. So, I felt even vs. a pair we have at least 40 percent equity.

[jessyj]

Obvious ship with likely 12 outs(and bdsd) and might even be dominating worse draws.

[wordtothewise]

Well it will be nice to crush 50nl one day. The hands posted have been on track thus far. So, I hope my time is coming. Thanks Jessy

[Micro2Macro]

If you want to crush 50nl stop bloating the pot OOP with marginal hands. I don't like the 4bet pre.

After that you can change seats.

[daven]

flop seems standard, pre-flop doesn't

[badgers]

This is a bit of unorthodox advice but does anyone think limp/calling or even just folding preflop are options against this villain?

[Micro2Macro]

This is a bit of unorthodox advice but does anyone think limp/calling or even just folding preflop are options against this villain?

I actually thought about this but didn't mention it.

Like we basically know we're getting 3bet and we'd rather not , yet we have a hand that has way too much potential vs this guy to possibly just fold pre, so if we limp/call his pfr we keep the pot under control while OOP and when we pick up a decent draw or Ax we can act accordingly as he's likely to spew madly postflop as the pfr given his obvious tendency to put the last raise in.

The shitty part about it is well, we're limp/calling a raise oop and basically playing fit/fold on the flop :/

4b pre is aweful
I'd rather limp/call pre and c/c this board
failing that, bet/call pre and c/c this board

[Deanglow]

4betting pre isn't "awful" although I think calling is a lot better. When you get to this flop bet/get it in

[wordtothewise]

Can you please explain why a 4 bet is awful? I am 4 betting with hand I could care less about folding to a 5bet. Also, it keeps me from playing a passive limp call oop vs. a very loose aggressive player.

[wordtothewise]

Babgers: I don't mind a fold preflop but the table went down to 4 handed. What would be the min raise range here A9+? Personally I would rather fold then limp here.

[wordtothewise]

If you want to crush 50nl stop bloating the pot OOP with marginal hands. I don't like the 4bet pre.

After that you can change seats.

Is this a serious statement? This is one line that I took vs. 1 type of player. I am not 4 betting liberally just to bloat pots. I had a specific reason and read vs. a specific player type.

[Micro2Macro]

Yes I'm dead serious.

This is just from my experience, but these crazy guys aren't folding to 4bets too often - if they 3bet you pre they want to play their hand. Your intention was to bluff right? The guy is really aggro and isn't going to let us bluff him off hands - give him rope.

If we're seriously considering open-folding A6s 4 handed, blind versus blind, then we should not be sitting at this table.

[Ltrain]

Can you please explain why a 4 bet is awful? I am 4 betting with hand I could care less about folding to a 5bet. Also, it keeps me from playing a passive limp call oop vs. a very loose aggressive player.

Because from your description, this player has a lot of gambool in him, your 4 bet will likely be called by most of his range and you still don't know where you are in the hand versus his wide pf calling range and you are oop but now with more money in the pot. What are you expecting to learn about his range from your 4 bet that you couldn't determine from calling his 3 bet and playing the flop?

Can you please explain why a 4 bet is awful?

because he's rarely folding and on average his hand is better than yours