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  1. #1

    Default Kings, daily 30k@stars

    Villain is 32/11 after 52 hands, fwiw. How would you play this?
    Looking at it now, my bet sizes are ridiculous.. don't know what I was thinking.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds 20 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t4009)
    UTG+1 (t7725)
    MP1 (t9119)
    MP2 (t9910)
    CO (t8413)
    Button (t8245)
    SB (t2405)
    Hero (BB) (t11568)

    Hero's M: 30.05

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
    3 folds, MP2 calls t150, CO calls t150, 1 fold, SB calls t75, Hero bets t900, 1 fold, CO calls t750, 1 fold

    Flop: (t2260) 7, 8, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets t1200, CO calls t1200

    Turn: (t4660) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets t1500, CO calls t1500

    River: (t7660) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets t1500, CO raises to t4793 (All-In), Hero calls t3293

    Total pot: t17246
  2. #2
    This is kinda dry flop that it often misses the villian and your bet often induces a fold. I'd rather check the flop and bet turn or bet 1/3 the pot on the flop.

    2 on the turn doesn't help him much except it is a spade and villian might have a flush draw. So, I'd make the turn like 3/4 the pot. I'd probably c/c the river depending on the bet size. As played, I guess you have to call since you are getting 4/1.
  3. #3
    Bet more on turn like Extrempphile said...as played you have to call the river raise even though it looks like your beat.
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    1800 flop, shove turn

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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Bbickes
    1800 flop, shove turn
    Basically, this.

    your flop bet sizing=fail. i like it if the flop is pretty devoid of draws, but yeah, not that one.

    it's pretty imperative at all times to keep in mind your stack sizes, the pot, your opponent's stack sizes at all times, combine all of them together. this hand would've been 10x easier to play if you had done so.
    derp
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by dthorne04
    Quote Originally Posted by Bbickes
    1800 flop, shove turn
    Basically, this.
    1) I guess you bet this flop more just because the villian is a calling station. I don't know why you refuse to slowplay it since he will fold so many QJ,QT,KT,A9s,K9s,AT,....etc.

    2) About shoving on the turn I had this in mind

    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    the point is you should worry about value, not making the play that makes it impossible to be drawn out on. If you never get drawn out on, you're playing wrong.
    and I searched for that post and found it! http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...31.html#932170

    Above was the reply from doc to my suggestion about shoving on the turn in that hand. The stack sizes are even more extreme in that case to consider a shove.

    Now we have the best hand on the turn in both cases and villian is possibly drawing on the turn in both cases. Can you please explain why you would bet or shove in both cases?
  7. #7
    I'd always bet the flop. I would bet enough to commit on turn but I don't think we have to shove per se, I think betting half his stack now and half on river is good.
  8. #8
    i play it that way because there's no need to get fancy in the slightest in the hand. villain is moderately to dogshit awful playing 32/11, and his range is super wide.

    slowplaying this flop is fucking retarded. he'll call with so many hands, 55, 66, stuff like T8, T9, any top pairs for sure, maybe second pairs, any of the pairs with gutshots, maybe even peel the turn with 22/33. build the fucking pot. if villain's playing like that, i think there's a strong chance he'll make it to the turn with a really wide range still

    i don't mind playing it the way drmc would. i guess i would bet 1600 on the flop, 2.7-3.2 on the turn, rest on the riv, if i didn't play it the way bickes would.

    so basically there's no reason here not to go bet/bet/shove or bet/shove, villain's got a wide range, is clearly a calling station, and will probs call it off if he feels the least bit committed while behing terribly behind.
    derp
  9. #9
    All right, both cases are villian dependent. We want to build the pot so, we bet the flop. I was afraid of getting too much fold equity after a shove on turn but a villian running 31/11 will not fold.

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