Horrible flop...$11 Donkament

[OP]

Trying to brush up on my tournament game.

Tables is playing pretty TAGGy, I've just been grinding a stack by stealing and flopping the nuts and getting no action, so all small pots with no showdowns from myself yet. So I dont really have an image per se.

Villain in question was 7/4 over 60ish hands so I got a chubby knowing he's sick coolered a ton of the time and obv all I was thinking about was Vegas and the fuckingg Mirage.

...and then I saw the flop

Thoughts on line and sizing. I know stacking off ranges are wider in LOLDonkaments and I kinda felt uneasy about it but figured it was super standard.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t4670)
MP2 (t6500)
CO (t4635)
Hero (Button) (t4980)
SB (t3080)
BB (t7085)
UTG (t1980)
UTG+1 (t3555)

Hero's M: 16.60

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A

3 folds, MP2 bets t240, 1 fold, Hero raises to t645, 2 folds, MP2 calls t405

Flop: (t1590) K, 10, J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1590) 3 (2 players)
MP2 bets t840, Hero calls t840

River: (t3270) 4 (2 players)
MP2 bets t5000 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t3270

[baudib]

mmm I think I lean toward a call against most, but I can definitely see folding against this guy.

[mcatdog]

Nonononononono don't fold this.

When you play an $11 tournament you basically have to forget how to hand read and just put money in based on the absolute strength of your hand. People give action in the most bizarre spots that in spots where you might expect a reasonable player's range to be very narrow, these guys can have just about anything. Villain could have had KQ and bet the turn and river because you checked back the flop.

[OP]

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out this 40BB poker.

If folding is out of the question, should I take a pot control/bluff catch line or bet/get it in, in this kind of spot?

[sinister1]

Nonononononono don't fold this.

When you play an $11 tournament you basically have to forget how to hand read and just put money in based on the absolute strength of your hand. People give action in the most bizarre spots that in spots where you might expect a reasonable player's range to be very narrow, these guys can have just about anything. Villain could have had KQ and bet the turn and river because you checked back the flop.

I agree with this. Here is what the avg mtt donk is thinking (if they think at all).

Level 0:
Preflop: Ooooooo cardz is pretty I raise...(reraise)....Fold, wat is fold, I haz cards and must see floppie.
Flop: I has a pair and a straight draw I checkin.
Turn: Ok time to bet now cuz I haz pair AND straight drawl.
River: Oh crap I missed my draw, better shove and make him fold.

Level 1:
Preflop: I got some paint time to pump it up.....(reraise).....He might have something, but he is prolly just trying to bully me, better see a flop.
Flop: I has a pair and straight draw I be checkin and see wat he do since he reraised me b4 tha floppie.
Turn: Wellz he dun checked it back on flop so he don't have nuthin, I bettin.
River: He just called and missed cuz he has QQ EXACTLY, I iz value bettin my KQ.

No need for level 3 and beyond because you will not find enough opps thinking this deep in low stakes mtt's to consider it without reads.

[donkbee]

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out this 40BB poker.

If folding is out of the question, should I take a pot control/bluff catch line or bet/get it in, in this kind of spot?

bet/get it in sounds good. I would just bet the shit out of every street because so many people will call off their stack with so many things.