OMFG it's AKs.

[Carroters]

I think this may be border line retarded, but here are my thoughts at the time.

UTG is 13/8 nit over 40 hands.
SB is 12/10 2% 3-bet nit over 50 hands.

Okay so a nit opens utg what's his range? Probably something like AQ+ 99+ and not much else if he's this nitty over a larger sample. Trouble is I've ran like that for 40 hands before and I'm usually 22/19 so meh it isn't conclusive.

Okay the SB nit's 3-betting range can't be much weaker than [QQ+ AK]

So I chose to flat preflop because my equity is decent vs utg and I have position. If I 3-bet here I'm going to want to fold to a 4-bet and don't think he'll be calling with AQ or anything, so my equity isn't great in a 3-bet pot.

Now when SB squeezes here and utg flats I narrow utg's range to mainly [TT-QQ AK] altohugh AA and KK are obviously possible. I just feel SB's squeeze looks so fucking strong that he'd be 4 betting the top of his range to get stacks in becasue it doesn't look like SB is ever folding to a 4-bet.

However, when I 4-bet after flatting this utg raise I think it looks extremely strong and my range has to be [AK AA KK] SO I think I can fold out the majority of UTG's range here and make SB fold QQ and AK = more free dead monies for me. Sometimes he'll have AA KK, but I decided that given the dead monies a 4-bet-get it in couldn't be too bad since I'm only crushed by AA.

How's my thinknig here? Should this be an easy fold given they are both nits and probably have more AA KK than I'm giving them cresit for?

All thoughts much appreciated, because these spots defo trouble me a lot.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($48.15)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($60.15)
BB ($33.15)
UTG ($50)
MP ($90.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
UTG bets $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, SB raises $7.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $6, Hero raises $26, 1 fold, UTG raises $42 (All-In), Hero calls $22 (All-In)

Flop: ($108.50) A, 5, 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($108.50) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($108.50) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $108.50

[Pelion]

The flat is fine. Nits dont squeeze light, especially when the original opener is an UTG nit. Id just fold to the squeeze. One of them is going to have AA/KK a lot, and you arent stacking KK on an A high board.

[Pelion]

Also, if hes wide enough that folding is bad, shoving is still a lot better than calling since PPs are likely to play perfectly against you postflop, and you might fold some flips.

[d0zer]

Just shove. no sense in putting more than half yer stack in. You very well might convince one of these nits to fold TT-QQ or another AK

[Silly String]

This is definitely a fold. Not an easy one in the flow of things but you need the discipline to fold these spots. You are hoping for them to be at the bottom of their ranges and your are at the bottom of your range for 4betting. You have issues with clean outs, splitting the pot and are up against complete nits.
I don't think there is as much dead money as you do and you have to be right too often about the bottom of their range.
IMO, -EV and high variance. Just nit up and fold to the nit's squeeze after UTG calls. Sure you're going to fold a hand with good equity sometimes, but you're too far behind the other situations.

[Carroters]

Thanks guys, I had an inclination it was pretty bad after the hand. I've been running shit and playing shit as a result lately and should totally be avoiding these high variance plays when it's not clearly +EV.

[Pelion]

Just shove. no sense in putting more than half yer stack in. You very well might convince one of these nits to fold TT-QQ or another AK

FWIW I think these are veeerrrrrry optimistic ranges after UTG calls.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.987% 32.28% 04.70% 1529423700 222769150.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.987% 32.28% 04.70% 1529423700 222769150.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 26.026% 18.81% 07.22% 891064800 341875324.00 { AKs }

Shoving with 26% equity, when we are likely to have way less when called, and when we are likely to get called pretty often just cant be right.

[griffey24]

Just shove. no sense in putting more than half yer stack in. You very well might convince one of these nits to fold TT-QQ or another AK

I agree , if we were gonna put it in we should just shove.

BUTT we should really be folding here. These are two mega nits... your best case scenario is one fold and QQ I'd imagine. More likely vs KK or AA pretty often.

[Toadstool]

I'd call....I don't think 50 hands is enough to generalize someone with those stats as a nit. If you do decide to 4 bet, you're obviously not folding, so is 4betting small > a shove as by 4 betting small there will be some small % that he reships with something he would have folded to your shove?

As played I would call. You have the best position, and relative position, I think they will probably tip both their hands to you before you get your say.

[meeloche]

If I'm backraising here it's to get it in vs sb not utg.