microstakes turbosng question-midpairs.

[play2Win]

I've recently had a couple of spots with <10bb stack in turbosngs where i've picked up mid pairs 77-99 in utg or utg+1-2 with a near full table. Wondering whether it's a shove or a fold with 5-7 players to act behind you. Shove ofc with <6bb? what about 7-9bb?

[DrStrangeShove]

SNG wizard would be helpful here. With <10bb youre in push/fold mode. Im not a fan of a UTG shove for my last push. You most likely want to be HU or with 2 opponents at most for your last push. If UTG, your could get 3+ callers and your 77-99 is likely to get smashed. I Look for LP or blinds for last shove.

[Alpine021]

I agree I'd rather the blinds pass me and shove with ATC than shove from UTG or UGT+1.

I'd need probably 10s at least and even then I wouldn't be ecstatic about it.

[d0zer]

folding 77-99 UTG with less than 10BBs seems like...really really nitty unless there are ICM considerations

[Tim Vecchioni]

what about a flat call and see what the rest of the table does, if you get a raise soon after your fold and the rest of the table folds, then now you are in a better position with a fairly decent starting hand. Worst case scenario with this move would be if you get 3-4 other flat callers then you are SOL. Or you could even 3x-4x and some people arent even paying attention to peoples stacks in micro tournys and will not consider that there post flop risk is a lot less. Me however would be making a 3x-4x raise when im less then 10BB's.

[JR9477]

I think you're better off shoving in most of these situations than folding.

I think you should play with some numbers in SNGwiz and see how far ahead/behind these situations can be.

[TLR]

I would shove 99 with less then 10BB any day, 88 too, 77 with 10 BB I can see a fold with 6-7 players left to act, around 7BB it is a push

[Alpine021]

I've only used SNGWIZ for bubble play but wouldn't it be hard to give the whole table calling ranges to get some figures? Lots of other factors would affect these ranges.

[taipan168]

OK, there is a bunch of woolly thinking going on here.

My general rule, which comes from analysing hands in SNG Wiz/SNGPT as well as experience, is that the hands you can shove from UTG with 10x BB are 77/88+ and AJ/AQ+, everything else is in the muck. 77 and AJ are really close and usually end up around neutral EV.

what about a flat call and see what the rest of the table does, if you get a raise soon after your fold and the rest of the table folds, then now you are in a better position with a fairly decent starting hand. Worst case scenario with this move would be if you get 3-4 other flat callers then you are SOL. Or you could even 3x-4x and some people arent even paying attention to peoples stacks in micro tournys and will not consider that there post flop risk is a lot less. Me however would be making a 3x-4x raise when im less then 10BB's.

Flat calling or raising 3-4x BB (and then worrying about whether to fold to a shove) with 10x BB is awful unless you are trapping with AA and there's a LAGGtard at the table who has raised every hand so far.