AA, very scary flop, multiway ($27)

[taipan168]

MP3's stats were something like 32/12 over about 55 hands, no stats on the other guy. What's your move? Fire again or c/c?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 27 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1410)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1903)
SB (t1590)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
Hero (UTG+1) (t1500)
MP1 (t1127)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A
1 fold, Hero bets t80, 2 folds, MP3 calls t80, 1 fold, Button calls t80, 2 folds

Flop: (t270) Q, 10, K (3 players)
Hero bets t200, MP3 calls t200, Button calls t200

Turn: (t870) 4 (3 players)
Hero ????

[Alpine021]

Tough hand..

32/12 is loose-ish so his call pre could be a pretty wide range. Button could be a low to mid pair unlikey QQ+ as may have raised to see what you do especially with a caller. Maybe some high card combination.

So to the flop MP3 flat is weird unless he's flopped the nuts. What else could he have? A10, AQ, AK? I think he would have had to raise with KQ, K10, Q10 unless he's willing to risk slowplaying on a massivily wet flop where he may already be behind to a set. Would he really call a raise with J9?

But the button call is the scariest. Again I think J9 is out but what hand justifies a flat with all this action? AJ is completely possible and is about the only hand that adds up so far. AsJs would be sick.

As for any other hand it's the same arguement as for MP3. I'd be raising with any 2 pair, a set. Unless he's got something pretty bad such as QJ (unless both spades) QJ with one spade is still bad unless he'd doing it purely for odds thinking he might stack 2 pair or a set.

But even on the river an Ace doesn't really help and any 10, Q, K or even 4 could be bad cards - and any spade.

I thought c-c at first but after re-reading it I think a decent lead of out about 600 might finally get your hand defined and if it takes the pot down then even better.

I went off the c-c idea because as mentioned a lot of rivers are bad. And a c-c may give u a hard decision on the river.

Most interesting hand I've seen for a while though.

[taipan168]

If we lead for 600 and opp shoves over what do we do? We will have 900 of our stack in the pot and 600 behind, we can't fold.

[Nakamura]

I'd probably bet closer to pot on that flop, but I guess the flop bet is ok.

The button's call is the least scary for me. He's getting odds to call with a lot of draws. That said, with this kind of flop that hits both their ranges pretty solidly, I'm prepared to let this one go. I'd check and hope for a free card, although I think that's probably wishful thinking.

What a sucky flop.

[Alpine021]

If we lead for 600 and opp shoves over what do we do? We will have 900 of our stack in the pot and 600 behind, we can't fold.

I see what you mean but as you know we have 3 ways to win - they fold to the bet, we are ahead if he pushes, or we suck out if we are behind. I just like taking the initiative.

But if we check call say a bet of the same amount then what? I admit you could check fold a scare card but then you'd still be left with 600. If the river bricks you'll have to shove anyway and might still be beat.

Worst still what if we check, MP3 bets out and the button calls?

It's hard, and like I said before the second active player makes it so much harder.

I'm dying to know what happened as well..

[drmcboy]

b\c, if they slow played something better on this board good for them. There are a ton of draws they could have and you caught a brick, I don't really see what the problem is. I wouldn't mind CRAI but doubtful they'll bet it for you.

[Extremophile]

If any of them flopped two pair or better, they would have certainly reraised this drawish flop. I am firing 450 on the turn. If any of them reraises or flats, we are probably beat and we have to fold. What scares me is that they might bluff the river if we check it.

By the way, which hands to you openbet 4x? If they put you on AA due to your openbet sizing they may slow play this flop.

[taipan168]

By the way, which hands to you openbet 4x? If they put you on AA due to your openbet sizing they may slow play this flop.

I open all hands level 1 and 2 to 4x BB, then 3x at 25/50 and 2.5x thereafter.

[baudib]

Preflop I'd raise to 100-120.

I'd consider checking this flop sometimes. A lot that beats you, but with the action I have to believe we're good. Unless someone has exactly AsJs it's beyond stupid to slowplay 2 pair + on this board.

The turn couldn't be more of a blank so I'd probably shove, I doubt anyone is folding their 1 pair + combo draws.

[linaker]

Interesting hand. If AA was ahead on the flop, then following the blank turn, it has increased equity, which suggests that you should bet again unless the flop betting indicated you were beaten. It seems unlikely that a villain with 2 pair+ would think trapping is a good idea on that board.

[TLR]

Flop: Out of position on this board I would seriously consider checking the flop and see what happens.

As played I am pretty sure you have the best hand, I have hard time seeing any hand (other the J9s or AJs flat calling a bet on this board, there is a small chance that someone has flopped 2 pair and dont really know what to do with it, but I think there is a very good chance you are ahead.
Vs one opponent I would probably bet like 2/3 of the pot, but vs 2 opponents I would overbet this pot and hope to get a call from someone with KJ or AQ who just couldn't let go of his hand

[lawss]

I'd probably bet closer to pot on that flop, but I guess the flop bet is ok.

The button's call is the least scary for me. He's getting odds to call with a lot of draws. That said, with this kind of flop that hits both their ranges pretty solidly, I'm prepared to let this one go. I'd check and hope for a free card, although I think that's probably wishful thinking.

What a sucky flop.

Yes I agree there is not much you can do but call you already have so many chips in I would call and hope for the best ...lol (might be the donk in me "

[DrStrangeShove]

The turn couldn't be more of a blank so I'd probably shove, I doubt anyone is folding their 1 pair + combo draws.

Yep, this.