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  1. #1

    Default QQ 3 bet gets donked into

    What does he do this with?

    first hand at the table, no stats, this is FTOPS 20, 200 nlhe

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    Hero (CO) (t4640)
    Button (t4940)
    SB (t4805)
    BB (t3740)
    UTG (t2405)
    UTG+1 (t5455)
    MP1 (t4565)
    MP2 (t5300)
    MP3 (t7600)

    Hero's M: 61.87

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
    4 folds, MP3 bets t175, Hero raises to t500, 3 folds, MP3 calls t325

    Flop: (t1075) 6, A, 6 (2 players)
    MP3 bets t750,
  2. #2
    The first thing that comes into my mind is mid PP like 99,TT,JJ and he might be trying to buy it. AA would be pretty sick but then why would you bet when the villian probably doesn't have an A. Finally, and most probably, he flatted with AK preflop and is obviously betting with TPTK.
  3. #3
    Yeah, I think this is underpairs a lot. AA is not only unlikely but absurd --if he doesn't ship it pre why he would lead into a 3-bettor with the nuts?

    There is a chance he's playing straightforward but I think an Ace would typically go for a check-raise after you've shown so much strength. He can't have many flush draws at all.

    I think we definitely have to call but I think it's important to instacall. If it appears we're contemplating folding he can barrel the turn again and expect us to fold. Fold most turns if he fires I assume, I think a spade will slow him down.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  4. #4
    Mostly total air (no pair/draw) and flush draws. Because its FTOPS I think its fair to assume the villain can call 3bets OOP with crappy broadways and suited connectors. (Average player in the field is going to be weaker bc of satellites)

    I wouldn't rule out Ax but leading here doesn't make a lot of sense
  5. #5
    the best flush draw he can have is KsJs....

    I would think he'd ship preflop with AK OOP but you never know. If he's just calling I suppose donking would be logical. I suppose his stack is big enough that he thinks he can call profitably with Ax.
  6. #6
    Others: T9s, 98s, 87s, KTs, JTs, J9s, 54s

    Unfortunately thats only 7 hand combos which might be a small part of his range. This spot is really lame because sometimes I wouldn't be surprised to be shown AK. I typically just call once and give credit if they bet big again on turn
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by fjuanl
    Mostly total air (no pair/draw) and flush draws. Because its FTOPS I think its fair to assume the villain can call 3bets OOP with crappy broadways and suited connectors. (Average player in the field is going to be weaker bc of satellites)

    I wouldn't rule out Ax but leading here doesn't make a lot of sense
    I agree with all of this.
  8. #8
    I think AQ is the top of his range.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  9. #9
    The stacks are pretty deep. I don't understand why AK doesn't make sense here. Isn't it possible he didn't want to flip AK pre?
  10. #10
    Very intresting hand. I am not sure what i do here with no read. I guess you can call and reevaluate on the turn. Probly fold to the turn bet i assume. What if he checks turn then what do we do? do we check behind? if we check behind to we call a river bet? If you dont know the anwers to these ?s than we should probly fold the flop.

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