AKs facing 4-bet from blinds ($12 turo)

[Nakamura]

Well this hand is just a puddle of crap .... initial raiser is somewhat loose 25/19/2.6 over 279 hands and we are ahead of his range. The 4-bet in the blinds comes from a player running at 11/10/9.0 over 313 hands.

This is like never worse than AK, right? Should I just shove PF?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t1555)
SB (t1450)
BB (t1455)
UTG (t1455)
UTG+1 (t1560)
MP1 (t1395)
MP2 (t1160)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t2030)

Hero's M: 20.73

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
3 folds, MP2 bets t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t400, SB raises to t1450 (All-In), 1 fold, MP2 folds, Hero??

[taipan168]

Just shove preflop, there are 225 chips in the pot which represent ~15% of your stack, whenever this happens I just shove preflop with AK.

As played, I think there are way too many dead chips in the pot for you to fold. You're getting about 2 to 1 pot odds and you're far enough ahead of even a tight range to justify a call:

equity win tie
Hand 0: 41.904% 22.62% 19.28% { AKs }
Hand 1: 58.096% 38.81% 19.28% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

[baudib]

AKs is the nuts with 31 BBs. Pretty sick to get shoved over by a player this tight but I'd just get it in.

[TillyB]

I agree with the 2 ppl above...

Don't lay down your AK...

[NobleTruths]

i full agree with taipan's assessment, except that i would not shove preflop. the raise should have been bigger, tho, to force an all-in or fold. rationale: fold is ok for the chips, call the all-in is ok b/c of strength of AK. you dont want someone just to call the smallish 3-bet b/c if no A or K on flop....now what (especially if 3 way)? fold leaves you with a crippled chip stack. if plan all-in, rather be all-in preflop. shove to all-in preflop leaves the strong likelihood that opponent will fold preflop...i want the call. as it is, this is an excellent place to call to try to become a dominant force.

[taipan168]

you dont want someone just to call the smallish 3-bet b/c if no A or K on flop....now what (especially if 3 way)? fold leaves you with a crippled chip stack. if plan all-in, rather be all-in preflop.

This is why I would shove preflop. If you are raising bigger then you're spewing chips if opp just flat calls and you don't spike an A or K or a combo draw on the flop. If you were first to act you could 3-bet less than all in then shove any flop, but because Hero is on the button he is last to act.

[TLR]

I would call, you are almost getting the right price to call if he has kings, and I think his range is at least QQ/AK+ and possibly even JJ/TT

[lNormajean]

Just shove preflop, there are 225 chips in the pot which represent ~15% of your stack, whenever this happens I just shove preflop with AK.

can you explain why this is better than a 3 bet? i cant say i have ever shuved in this situation, usually a 3bet between 400-550 depending on opp. seems like theres alot of missed value, hopefully u can shed some light on the matter

[taipan168]

Just shove preflop, there are 225 chips in the pot which represent ~15% of your stack, whenever this happens I just shove preflop with AK.

can you explain why this is better than a 3 bet? i cant say i have ever shuved in this situation, usually a 3bet between 400-550 depending on opp. seems like theres alot of missed value, hopefully u can shed some light on the matter

If you 3-bet to 400-550, opp flat calls and you miss the flop, then what? The pot will be about the size of your remaining stack and you'll have a third of your stack in the pot. Folding would be spewing chips but betting (and getting check-raised) may be a way to donk off your whole stack.

Plus if you shove, you'll definitely get called by worse hands like AJ and AQ.

[NobleTruths]

NobleTruths wrote:
you dont want someone just to call the smallish 3-bet b/c if no A or K on flop....now what (especially if 3 way)? fold leaves you with a crippled chip stack. if plan all-in, rather be all-in preflop.

This is why I would shove preflop. If you are raising bigger then you're spewing chips if opp just flat calls and you don't spike an A or K or a combo draw on the flop. If you were first to act you could 3-bet less than all in then shove any flop, but because Hero is on the button he is last to act

dont misunderstand me, in this situation i would shove all-in on the flop, regardless. thats my SNG playing style, and it works for me. others would rationalize a fold on the flop with the smaller (but still significant) preflop raise.....i see this as an error because of the shortness of the ensuing chip stack. i am uber aggressive in SNG with top tier hands, and do quite well.

[taipan168]

dont misunderstand me, in this situation i would shove all-in on the flop, regardless. thats my SNG playing style, and it works for me. others would rationalize a fold on the flop with the smaller (but still significant) preflop raise.....i see this as an error because of the shortness of the ensuing chip stack. i am uber aggressive in SNG with top tier hands, and do quite well.

The thing is, if you were first to act on the flop I could see raising to 400-500 then shoving all in on any flop. However, in this case we are not first to act on the flop. Because of this we lose some potential fold equity if we miss the flop and opp bets/shoves first. That's why I prefer shoving preflop.