Quote Originally Posted by Renton
k i guess i meant I think a 36.9 fold frequency is obscenely high.

I just don't think most people are capable of moves in this spot when theres not even history (rush). I'd give him a range weighted toward 99 and small flushes, and not expect him ever to fold those.
People get greedy when they realize how much money they have already invested.

There's the kind of player who wouldn't bluff the flop, because he assumes I'm never c/folding, but now he sees that I'm probably weak with likely KK and he can get me off it. Then there's the guy who thinks he is owning me here with AQ. Both of these will bet the river as well but fold turn to a shove.

I really just want to argue in favor of this play for sake of discussion. I still haven't made up my mind whether I like it or not. I don't think it's a bad shove against someone random, I'm just not sure if it's my best line. I'm also trying to think whether call + c/c is better than call + c/f.

I think all in all if we b/c here and c/f river we have misplayed the hand.

I'm pretty sure I don't like the turn bet anymore, but even that can't be horrible.