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  1. #1

    Default Not sure on these hands...Ideas?

    I have noticed recently i have been getting myself into some strange positions. And i am not quite sure what to do. So below are a few situations I got myself into today. Let me know what you think!



    Full Tilt Poker Game #18152857357: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (137298148), Table 9 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:28:43 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: ipre4u (3,200)
    Seat 2: icanplaytwo (8,095)
    Seat 3: hankskeet4 (2,775), is sitting out
    Seat 4: shakie072 (4,785)
    Seat 5: Topdollor1 (4,520)
    Seat 6: aVISAa (9,335)
    Seat 7: Davy 001 (3,325)
    Seat 8: jqcjmc99 (2,625)
    Seat 9: Hero (4,474)
    Davy 001 posts the small blind of 25
    jqcjmc99 posts the big blind of 50
    The button is in seat #6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Th Ts]
    Hero has 15 seconds left to act
    Hero raises to 150
    ipre4u folds
    icanplaytwo calls 150
    hankskeet4 folds
    shakie072 calls 150
    Topdollor1 folds
    aVISAa folds
    Davy 001 folds
    jqcjmc99 calls 100
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 3c 6h]
    jqcjmc99 checks
    Hero has 15 seconds left to act
    Hero checks
    icanplaytwo bets 100
    shakie072 has 15 seconds left to act
    shakie072 calls 100
    jqcjmc99 raises to 400
    Hero???



    Full Tilt Poker Game #18153400918: $1 + $0.20 Sit & Go (137306993), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:47:32 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: Hero (3,250)
    Seat 2: williewobble (1,475)
    Seat 3: Panos73 (1,455)
    Seat 5: TKOmike (1,470)
    Seat 6: djam l as (1,350)
    Seat 7: Gr4zy (1,320)
    Seat 8: strelecoperator (1,440)
    Seat 9: JeanJeanClaude (1,740)
    TKOmike posts the small blind of 15
    djam l as posts the big blind of 30
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Ah 4h]
    Gr4zy calls 30
    strelecoperator calls 30
    JeanJeanClaude folds
    Hero has 15 seconds left to act
    Hero raises to 130
    williewobble has 15 seconds left to act
    williewobble folds
    Panos73 folds
    TKOmike folds
    djam l as calls 100
    Gr4zy calls 100
    strelecoperator calls 100
    *** FLOP *** [2s Kh 2c]
    djam l as checks
    Gr4zy checks
    strelecoperator bets 180
    Hero raises to 420
    djam l as has 15 seconds left to act
    djam l as folds
    Gr4zy folds
    strelecoperator folds
    Uncalled bet of 240 returned to marie_422
    Hero mucks
    Hero wins the pot (895)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 895 | Rake 0
    Board: [2s Kh 2c]
    Seat 1: Hero collected (895), mucked
    Seat 2: williewobble didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: Panos73 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: TKOmike (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: djam l as (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: Gr4zy folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: strelecoperator folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: JeanJeanClaude didn't bet (folded)
    Right line??


    Full Tilt Poker Game #18153523540: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (137298148), Table 1 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:51:58 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: bilguun0 (9,645)
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 (2,815)
    Seat 4: akfdt343 (8,155)
    Seat 5: Universellement (1,765)
    Seat 6: Alexkir (3,900)
    Seat 7: Topdollor1 (4,120)
    Seat 8: Hero (6,519)
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (10,940)
    Universellement posts the small blind of 40
    Alexkir posts the big blind of 80
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to marie_422 [4d 4s]
    Topdollor1 folds
    Hero raises to 240
    Rudi1985 calls 240
    bilguun0 folds
    adoo123456789 folds
    akfdt343 folds
    Universellement folds
    Alexkir folds
    *** FLOP *** [8s 9h Kh]
    Hero checks
    Rudi1985 bets 80
    Hero???


    Full Tilt Poker Game #18153745898: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (137298148), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:01:17 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: bilguun0 (10,665)
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia (5,670)
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 (2,815)
    Seat 4: akfdt343 (6,955)
    Seat 5: Universellement (2,425)
    Seat 6: Alexkir (3,780)
    Seat 7: Topdollor1 (3,940)
    Seat 8: Hero (6,179)
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (11,200)
    Hero posts the small blind of 50
    Rudi1985 posts the big blind of 100
    The button is in seat #7
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Qc Qs]
    bilguun0 has 15 seconds left to act
    bilguun0 has timed out
    bilguun0 folds
    bilguun0 is sitting out
    Gjoko Macedonia calls 100
    adoo123456789 calls 100
    akfdt343 folds
    Universellement folds
    Alexkir folds
    Topdollor1 calls 100
    Hero has 15 seconds left to act
    Hero raises to 350
    Rudi1985 has 15 seconds left to act
    bilguun0 has returned
    Rudi1985 has timed out
    Rudi1985 folds
    Rudi1985 is sitting out
    Gjoko Macedonia folds
    adoo123456789 calls 250
    Topdollor1 calls 250
    *** FLOP *** [Jd 6h 8c]
    Hero bets 800
    adoo123456789 has 15 seconds left to act
    adoo123456789 folds
    Topdollor1 calls 800
    *** TURN *** [Jd 6h 8c] [Qh]
    Hero checks
    Topdollor1 checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jd 6h 8c Qh] [7c]
    Hero has 15 seconds left to act
    Hero bets 1,400
    Topdollor1 calls 1,400
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Hero shows [Qc Qs] three of a kind, Queens
    Topdollor1 mucks
    Hero wins the pot (5,650) with three of a kind, Queens
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5,650 | Rake 0
    Board: [Jd 6h 8c Qh 7c]
    Seat 1: bilguun0 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: akfdt343 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Universellement didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: Alexkir didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: Topdollor1 (button) mucked [Js As] - a pair of Jacks
    Seat 8: Hero (small blind) showed [Qc Qs] and won (5,650) with three of a kind, Queens
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (big blind) folded before the Flop



    Full Tilt Poker Game #18153926273: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (137298148), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:07:54 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: bilguun0 (12,965)
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia (3,860)
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 (3,965)
    Seat 4: akfdt343 (6,705)
    Seat 5: Universellement (2,125)
    Seat 6: Alexkir (3,780)
    Seat 8: Hero (9,529)
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (10,700)
    Universellement posts the small blind of 50
    Alexkir posts the big blind of 100
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Kc Ac]
    Hero raises to 300
    Rudi1985 calls 300
    bilguun0 folds
    Gjoko Macedonia folds
    adoo123456789 folds
    akfdt343 folds
    Universellement folds
    Alexkir calls 200
    *** FLOP *** [Jh 7s Qs]
    Alexkir checks
    Hero checks
    Rudi1985 checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh 7s Qs] [Ks]
    Alexkir bets 350
    Hero calls 350
    Rudi1985 calls 350
    *** RIVER *** [Jh 7s Qs Ks] [9s]
    Alexkir bets 700
    Hero folds
    Rudi1985 calls 700
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Alexkir shows [8s 8c] a flush, King high
    Rudi1985 mucks
    Alexkir wins the pot (3,400) with a flush, King high
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3,400 | Rake 0
    Board: [Jh 7s Qs Ks 9s]
    Seat 1: bilguun0 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: akfdt343 (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Universellement (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: Alexkir (big blind) showed [8s 8c] and won (3,400) with a flush, King high
    Seat 8: Hero folded on the River
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 mucked [9h Th] - a straight, King high



    On the hand below, i raised him with air because I felt like he was just doing a standard cbet and did not give him credit for the A. Maybe that was the wrong way of thinking, and would probably work more in a 2 way pot instead of 3 but please correct me if im wrong here!

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18154159917: $1 + $0.10 Sit & Go (137298148), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:16:21 ET - 2010/02/03
    Seat 1: bilguun0 (22,385)
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia (3,910)
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 (3,245)
    Seat 5: Frizznit (2,200)
    Seat 6: Alexkir (5,600)
    Seat 8: Hero (9,329)
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (9,340)
    bilguun0 posts the small blind of 60
    Gjoko Macedonia posts the big blind of 120
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [Ks Qs]
    adoo123456789 folds
    Frizznit folds
    Alexkir raises to 240
    Hero calls 240
    Rudi1985 folds
    bilguun0 folds
    Gjoko Macedonia calls 120
    *** FLOP *** [9h 9s As]
    Gjoko Macedonia checks
    Alexkir bets 120
    Hero raises to 420
    Gjoko Macedonia folds
    Alexkir has 15 seconds left to act
    Alexkir folds
    Uncalled bet of 300 returned to Hero
    Hero mucks
    Hero wins the pot (1,020)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 1,020 | Rake 0
    Board: [9h 9s As]
    Seat 1: bilguun0 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 2: Gjoko Macedonia (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: adoo123456789 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: Frizznit didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: Alexkir folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: Hero collected (1,020), mucked
    Seat 9: Rudi1985 (button) didn't bet (folded)
  2. #2
    Hand 1 (TT): Preflop is fine, and I check the flop too given that you got called in three spots. With the action in front (bet, call and raise), I fold pretty fast and wait for a better spot.

    Hand 2 (A4s) - I fold preflop, you're most likely out of position and they're not going to fold to your raise, so all you're doing by raising is building a pot with a very marginal hand. As played, I would fold to the flop bet, this is a foolhardy bluff with three opps seeing the flop.

    Hand 3 (44) - given your stack, I would have c-bet the flop for 450 or so to see if you can take the pot down. As played, fold I guess, you're most probably drawing to 2 outs. Maybe you could call and see if you can check the hand down if you don't spike another 4.

    Hand 4 (QQ) - raise more preflop. My general rule at this blind level is 2.5x BB plus 1x BB for each limper so I would have made it 500-550 to go. Flop bet is fine, I bet the turn as well rather than checking because you want to build the pot and also price out any draws that may be still chasing. Betting the turn also builds the pot and sets you up to put opp all-in on the river without overbetting.

    Hand 5 (AKs) - to me it is marginal whether to bet or check the flop. I lean towards checking because a) there are two opps seeing the flop and b) that flop is likely to have hit some piece of what either of them might have. On the turn, I wouldn't be scared off by the 3-flush, I'd put in a pretty solid raise here, to 1500 or so. As played, the river card is obviously very bad for you (for straight as well as flush reasons) and I think you're pretty much beat here so I'd fold too.

    Hand 6 (KQs) - fold preflop. I have lost stacks and stacks of chips calling raises (or raising out of position) with KQ as it's so easily dominated despite how pretty it looks. Given it was the preflop raiser now betting the flop, it could be a c-bet however I usually just tend to let this go. The other alternative (which I prefer to raising the flop) would be to just call his bet ("floating" it) and bet the turn if he checks.
  3. #3
    Taipan-

    Thank you for all your thorough advice it is really helpful. I have been playing a bit more aggressively lately although sometimes I do it in the wrong spots I think, hence I have been getting myself into some positions where I am stumped as what to do.




    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168

    Hand 6 (KQs) - fold preflop. I have lost stacks and stacks of chips calling raises (or raising out of position) with KQ as it's so easily dominated despite how pretty it looks. Given it was the preflop raiser now betting the flop, it could be a c-bet however I usually just tend to let this go. The other alternative (which I prefer to raising the flop) would be to just call his bet ("floating" it) and bet the turn if he checks.
    what positions would you play it in? I find it to be a bit of an annoying hand because it can b easily dominated, so I tend to get confused on what to do with it.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by FMLwin422
    I have been playing a bit more aggressively lately although sometimes I do it in the wrong spots I think, hence I have been getting myself into some positions where I am stumped as what to do.
    One thing about low buyin tourneys is that there is no need to play fancy. If you have a good hand, bet it hard. If you have a bad hand, then don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by FMLwin422
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Hand 6 (KQs) - fold preflop. I have lost stacks and stacks of chips calling raises (or raising out of position) with KQ as it's so easily dominated despite how pretty it looks. Given it was the preflop raiser now betting the flop, it could be a c-bet however I usually just tend to let this go. The other alternative (which I prefer to raising the flop) would be to just call his bet ("floating" it) and bet the turn if he checks.
    what positions would you play it in? I find it to be a bit of an annoying hand because it can b easily dominated, so I tend to get confused on what to do with it.
    It depending on stacks and blinds, but with low blinds and starting stacks I would open raise it from the CO onwards, fold to pretty much any raise in front and with limpers in front, limp from the Button and SB.
  5. #5
    Taipain has good advice, just wanted to comment on a few.

    With KQs just make sure there's good enough reason to play it. If the original raiser never raises preflop you dont want to call it because you're going to be dominated a lot. If he's a loose retard though you obviously want to call it. You can also play it in middle positions if you have decent reads on the players you're playing and especially if they're just playing loose and bad in general.

    With the first hand, although you're not in love with the hand you may want to be it anyway. It helps you get a better read on what your opponents have, and you could be called by worse. And even if they fold you win a pretty big pot which is always good. And lastly there are a lot of cards they can hit that will beat you so you dont want someone with a pair of 6s or aj to see a turn without having to pay for it.
  6. #6
    With KQ, the issue I have with it is that it can have very bad reverse implied odds (ie. you can lose a lot of chips before you find out that you have the second best hand). I don't hate calling raises by LAGG players with it but you do need to be quite careful postflop on a K or Q high flop - helps if you are in position because it allows you to better control the size of the pot.
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    this is a $1 sng, almost every player is loose preflop( agg or passive), of course this is a generalizationand you still need to pay attention to players, But i don't have a problem calling a raise with KQ at these $1 games cause hands that dominate you is generally such a small part of their range, i think you stack a player with Kx or Qx on a K/Q high flop much more than you get stacked by AK, AQ or TP/set.

    if it comes K or Q high on most flops i'm not to scared to get my chips in at the $1 tables, again this is a generalization you should use the info you have collected to make the best decision, and as you move up in stakes thats when i worry more and more about being dominated, because opponents preflop range gets smaller.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    With KQ, the issue I have with it is that it can have very bad reverse implied odds (ie. you can lose a lot of chips before you find out that you have the second best hand). I don't hate calling raises by LAGG players with it but you do need to be quite careful postflop on a K or Q high flop - helps if you are in position because it allows you to better control the size of the pot.
    i agree. All im saying is that it can turn into a huge hand on very loose bad tables.
  9. #9
    #2 in the SNG forum, in this horrible un converted post no less?!
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    #2 in the SNG forum, in this horrible un converted post no less?!
    He can't use the converter as he has less than 10 posts...
  11. #11
    yeah i get it, just surprised max/danny was here
  12. #12
    its cause i know this person irl.

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